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The administration is literally telling you people they aren't going to negotiate with unions.
Yeah and our union refused to negotiate with the previous administration… What else ya got, wonderboy?

Do us all a favor and shut tf up. I don’t care for the man either, but the sooner “you people” realize that it wasn’t just Trump votes that got us to this point, the sooner you’ll stop sounding like a fucking idiot.
 
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Sooner or later we are going to have to negotiate a contract. At that time I hope we have a totally different NEB and we get our balls back. The forever contract ain't it folks. The longer we don't negotiate a contract the longer we continue to castrate ourselves.

Why doesn't anyone in power in this union want to fight for us? What is going on behind the scenes?
 
I guarantee you a lot of this blowback is a direct result of the A114 scams and their equivalents in other federal unions. Once DOGE uncovered that there are federal employees on essentially unlimited leave doing “union duties” what did you think the response would be? On top of that, NATCA’s made it clear that protecting A114ers at all costs is a top priority. The DOGE people see that say “wow, these unions only exist as a way for people to scam a government paycheck without ever having to work, we have to eliminate them.” IF our CBA ends up being terminated (which I highly doubt will actually happen) NATCA will have been directly responsible their own demise. A114’s should have been ordered back to the boards years ago and the focus put on working conditions and pay. But instead we get scammers and demands for better equipment. Nick Daniels needs to go.
 
I guarantee you a lot of this blowback is a direct result of the A114 scams and their equivalents in other federal unions. Once DOGE uncovered that there are federal employees on essentially unlimited leave doing “union duties” what did you think the response would be? On top of that, NATCA’s made it clear that protecting A114ers at all costs is a top priority. The DOGE people see that say “wow, these unions only exist as a way for people to scam a government paycheck without ever having to work, we have to eliminate them.” IF our CBA ends up being terminated (which I highly doubt will actually happen) NATCA will have directly brought about their own demise.
That's a lot of dumbshit to just avoid saying Republicans don't like unions
 
That's a lot of dumbshit to just avoid saying Republicans don't like unions
Maybe if NATCA was an actual union instead a social club and political activist group they’d have more support from the right. 🤷‍♂️

I mean, when you almost universally endorse democrats for every election and then republicans take control of every branch of government, what do you think is going to happen?
 
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I guarantee you a lot of this blowback is a direct result of the A114 scams and their equivalents in other federal unions. Once DOGE uncovered that there are federal employees on essentially unlimited leave doing “union duties” what did you think the response would be? On top of that, NATCA’s made it clear that protecting A114ers at all costs is a top priority. The DOGE people see that say “wow, these unions only exist as a way for people to scam a government paycheck without ever having to work, we have to eliminate them.” IF our CBA ends up being terminated (which I highly doubt will actually happen) NATCA will have been directly responsible their own demise. A114’s should have been ordered back to the boards years ago and the focus put on working conditions and pay. But instead we get scammers and demands for better equipment. Nick Daniels needs to go.
I’ll play your silly game. Why were law enforcement & firefighters exempted and allowed to keep their federal Union rights? On DOD installations, law enforcement & firefighters are represented by the very same AFGE locals as the other employees on base. So, how does your “A114” argument hold up now?
 
I’ll play your silly game. Why were law enforcement & firefighters exempted and allowed to keep their federal Union rights? On DOD installations, law enforcement & firefighters are represented by the very same AFGE locals as the other employees on base. So, how does your “A114” argument hold up now?
Maybe because they didn’t instantly endorse Kamala when she was appointed as the democrat nominee.
 
Maybe if NATCA was an actual union instead a social club and political activist group they’d have more support from the right. 🤷‍♂️

I mean, when you almost universally endorse democrats for every election and then republicans take control of every branch of government, what do you think is going to happen?
Maybe if the chickens are really nice to Colonel Sanders & kiss his fat ass, he’ll spare them.
 
Maybe if the chickens are really nice to Colonel Sanders & kiss his fat ass, he’ll spare them.
Everything in the government is political and you need to play the game intelligently. What would endorsing Kamala have gained us had she won? Absolutely nothing. But it may hurt them now. The best policy is neutrality, but again, NATCA is a political activist organization and a social club masquerading as a union.
 
Maybe because they didn’t instantly endorse Kamala when she was appointed as the democrat nominee.
Follow along as I try to explain it more slowly this time. On most military installations, the firefighters & law enforcement officers are not represented by some other Union. They’re represented by the exact same AFGE that endorsed Kamala. In fact, some of those same firefighters & cops often serve as Union stewards & presidents/VPs of their local. So, I ask my question again. Why were they treated differently?
 
I guarantee you a lot of this blowback is a direct result of the A114 scams and their equivalents in other federal unions.
I guarantee you're giving them way too much credit. Most of these EOs and other BS decisions are broad reaching and not thought-out. Hence why judges are blocking some of them, reinstating fired workers, and why we -Air Traffic Controllers- are being asked to write emails every week to show that we have value.
 
I guarantee you a lot of this blowback is a direct result of the A114 scams and their equivalents in other federal unions. Once DOGE uncovered that there are federal employees on essentially unlimited leave doing “union duties” what did you think the response would be? On top of that, NATCA’s made it clear that protecting A114ers at all costs is a top priority. The DOGE people see that say “wow, these unions only exist as a way for people to scam a government paycheck without ever having to work, we have to eliminate them.” IF our CBA ends up being terminated (which I highly doubt will actually happen) NATCA will have been directly responsible their own demise. A114’s should have been ordered back to the boards years ago and the focus put on working conditions and pay. But instead we get scammers and demands for better equipment. Nick Daniels needs to go.
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When could we have negotiated that wouldn't have been under Trump without a shadow of a doubt in the past 10 years. I'll wait since you don't understand contract negotiations or the very low likelihood of the incumbent losing a presidential election.
I've agreed with everything else you've been saying but this one is just silly. Rinaldi signed the original extension in May 2021, literally within months of Biden taking office. We could have negotiated that summer without ever worrying about Trump.

There's just no excuse for the Rinaldi extension.
 
The location and salary have a direct impact on the local housing market and interest rates too since we might be able to afford to buy them down a bit if we were paid better. A lot are struggling to save up even a 5% down payment though, forget buying down the rate.
When Nick visited our facility while on the campaign trail, he specifically talked about wanting to secure access to lower interest rate loans as a way to help the workforce offset the current cost of living.

It’s possible, and likely probable, that I’ve missed any talk about that since he’s been in office, but I can’t recall seeing anything about it.
 
I've agreed with everything else you've been saying but this one is just silly. Rinaldi signed the original extension in May 2021, literally within months of Biden taking office. We could have negotiated that summer without ever worrying about Trump.

There's just no excuse for the Rinaldi extension.

It was signed May 3, 2021. I may be misremembering what I heard but the union has to give the FAA at least 6 months (maybe a year) notice that they're going to negotiate. It's not a spur of the moment thing. Six months prior to May 3rd was November 3rd, the 2020 election day.

NATCA didn't want to gamble on a Trump win and have to negotiate with a hostile administration.
 
It was signed May 3, 2021. I may be misremembering what I heard but the union has to give the FAA at least 6 months (maybe a year) notice that they're going to negotiate. It's not a spur of the moment thing. Six months prior to May 3rd was November 3rd, the 2020 election day.

NATCA didn't want to gamble on a Trump win and have to negotiate with a hostile administration.
That is Mick Devines explanation. They didn’t want to “balk” on what they had been negotiating for in anticipation of a second Trump term. To preserve the unions credibility with the people they negotiated with from 2019-2021, they extended into 2026 past what would have been a second Trump term if he had been reelected in 2020. It was a giant misstep in hindsight and has effectively gutted this union.

 
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