Jay-Jay Jet Plane said:pretty much. i just saw the previous experience MOU from a buddy that quit and is reapplying. 5 of the 6 "hard-to-staff" options that are 9-12s and optional for the PEs are places I've had ERRs to for years...
System is working flawlessly.
PEs and Reinstatements are different
Move78 said:PEs and Reinstatements are different
People quit and are reapplying as priors. Idc about the semantics.
Jay-Jay Jet Plane said:People quit and are reapplying as priors. Idc about the semantics.
‘I don’t like how things work and I also don’t care to know about how things work’ is wild take. The Agency does. They’re different things with different SOPs.
Move78 said:‘I don’t like how things work and I also don’t care to know about how things work’ is wild take. The Agency does. They’re different things with different SOPs.
He said two different things because both are true, granted he should have used former and latter, but you are splitting hairs knowing full well what he was implying. Arguing the difference between two SOPs is superfluous.
SquawkHijack said:He said two different things because both are true, granted he should have used former and latter, but you are splitting hairs knowing full well what he was implying. Arguing the difference between two SOPs is superfluous.
No he’s confusing the processes. Quitting and reapplying is a reinstatement and does not get you access to the PE process. You’re welcome.
Move78 said:No he’s confusing the processes. Quitting and reapplying is a reinstatement and does not get you access to the PE process. You’re welcome.
It is? If you quit then reapply after a year to the PE bid are you only offered your prior facility?
zuluyankee said:It is? If you quit then reapply after a year to the PE bid are you only offered your prior facility?
No, you will get a full list like everyone else.
I haven't read the reinstatement SOP in a bit but I believe they changed it so you can only be reinstated at your previous facility. (That could be wrong though)
Now that they've opened up direct hiring for those with prior military service idk how that would affect someone who quit or went DOD. Can they just direct hire wherever if they get the ATM on board? Cause it would seem like they could
Gauff said:No, you will get a full list like everyone else.
I haven't read the reinstatement SOP in a bit but I believe they changed it so you can only be reinstated at your previous facility. (That could be wrong though)
Now that they've opened up direct hiring for those with prior military service idk how that would affect someone who quit or went DOD. Can they just direct hire wherever if they get the ATM on board? Cause it would seem like they could
So what's the point in trying to get a reinstatement?
Do you even need to wait a year when you quit then re-apply under prior experience?
IE:
1. Get hired as a OTS.
2. Get sent to a black hole level 4-6.
3. CPC and work a year.
4. Resign.
5. Immediately reapply for the PE bid.
6. Get rehired and get to go basically wherever you want.
7. ????
8. Profit
Am I missing something?
The one year separation facility restriction still exists. This email was posted on the New Hire discord recently, dated 5/29:
Homsar said:The one year separation facility restriction still exists. This email was posted on the New Hire discord recently, dated 5/29:
Well that blows a huge hole in my genius plan.
Homsar said:The one year separation facility restriction still exists. This email was posted on the New Hire discord recently, dated 5/29:
It’s sad that they have to restrict former CPC’s to same level or below because they know there would instantly be a mass amount of people at low levels quitting. So instead the only option is give the military controllers who were lucky to talk to 1 plane a day the option of all level 9’s and below!
zuluyankee said:So what's the point in trying to get a reinstatement?
Do you even need to wait a year when you quit then re-apply under prior experience?
IE:
1. Get hired as a OTS.
2. Get sent to a black hole level 4-6.
3. CPC and work a year.
4. Resign.
5. Immediately reapply for the PE bid.
6. Get rehired and get to go basically wherever you want.
7. ????
8. ProfitAm I missing something?
If you don't wait a year and apply to a prior experience list you'll only be offered your previous facility. That's how they were doing it but it's seems like everything has been changing lately so they could possibly be changing that
Move78 said:No he’s confusing the processes. Quitting and reapplying is a reinstatement and does not get you access to the PE process. You’re welcome.
Just because you quit and reapply does not mean you’re seeking reinstatement, you have to specifically request that. Anyone can certainly quit and apply in a PE bid if they have previous ATS experience in the last 5 years, same as anyone with PE. These are in fact two different things, if it weren’t you wouldn’t see people that quit to go DoD in here getting lists to come back. And yea, they’re in here. YoU’rE wElCoMe.
SquawkHijack said:Just because you quit and reapply does not mean you’re seeking reinstatement, you have to specifically request that. Anyone can certainly quit and apply in a PE bid if they have previous ATS experience in the last 5 years, same as anyone with PE. These are in fact two different things, if it weren’t you wouldn’t see people that quit to go DoD in here getting lists to come back. And yea, they’re in here. YoU’rE wElCoMe.
The 2 processes have different names. The PE process has a previous cpc clause seeking reinstatement under the competitive bid process. They will get processed differently as PEs and offered different facilities and classified differently (cpc-it) and paid differently per the CBA.
6/6 IQTR List
Cat A: ZSU
Cat B: U90 ICT ZSU ORF M03 BOI CRP SAT MSY BHM
Cat C: A11 JCF Y90 JAX PBI SAV HCF CVG SDF ABQ CMH OKC P80 PIT CHS MYR TYS AUS MKE
Class finished 11/11. 7 Volunteers. Picked:
2 PBI
2 CMH
1 Y90
1 U90
1 ABQ
1 SAT
1 ORF
1 MSY
1 MKE
From the ATC Hiring & Academy Discord
How tf are these classes passing 100%?
ClearanceClarence said:How tf are these classes passing 100%?
It’s RTF, you can run 15 in trail on final on the evals if you really wanted to not have any errors. Not to mention they are doing tsew as well.
I feel bad for anyone doing terminal and seeing this. RTF is a joke.
ClearanceClarence said:How tf are these classes passing 100%?
“Let the facilities weed them out.”
ClearanceClarence said:How tf are these classes passing 100%?
RTF instructors are also used to having pass/pass classes so I wonder if that plays a role in it. Like they don't feel the need to grade as strictly as the Tower or Enroute instructors.
But also RTF is super easy
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