IQTR class pass rate

[ClearanceClarence]

RTF instructors are also used to having pass/pass classes so I wonder if that plays a role in it. Like they don't feel the need to grade as strictly as the Tower or Enroute instructors.

But also RTF is super easy

I assume this path is similar to tower and enroute though where it’s FAA evaluators doing the grading and not the contract instructors. Also the normal RTF class consists of current tower certified controllers who already have experience. I assume these classes are mostly off the street kids with little to no aviation experience at all. Still unusual that every single person has passed the class so far

 

[Stinger]

It took a year before someone failed the TETRA course.

 

[CF]

Is it just pass/pass since it’s new? No one has failed yet which seems weird.

 

[22papa]

Is it just pass/pass since it’s new? No one has failed yet which seems weird.

It is not pass/pass. The difficulty of RTF evals (especially after doing TSEW) basically makes it impressive if you can find a way to fail.

 

[Acquired Taste]

It took a year before someone failed the TETRA course.

I thought one of those guys slated for N90 failed one of the early classes and discovered the loophole that you can avoid N90 and go to PBI instead by failing. I'd try to find a reference on here but it appears the search function has been nerfed.

 

[Bananas]

IQTR will be another failed attempt to hurry people through. Now someone with maybe no experience will start on radar and not know the basics that FD/CD teaches.
Set up for failure. $15K to go fail at some place get placed in low level well staffed facility and then move right passed everyone and to a big house.
The $15K bonuses should be given to people who have been trying to leave places for more than three year and have more than 8 years CPC at that place.

 

[wrench978]

I just want to know how they are getting out of Cat A…

 

[Stinger]

I thought one of those guys slated for N90 failed one of the early classes and discovered the loophole that you can avoid N90 and go to PBI instead by failing. I'd try to find a reference on here but it appears the search function has been nerfed.

There was two of them in the same class that went to different facilities. I forget all the specifics, but basically they didn't want to terminate an employee that had passed RTF and also never had an evaluation done by an FAA evaluator (still were using high level Tracon supervisors at that time.)
After them, the plan for TETRA failures was to send them back for an RTF eval with an evaluator until they could get full time TETRA evaluators.

 

[Acquired Taste]

I just want to know how they are getting out of Cat A…

Class finished 11/11. 7 Volunteers. Picked:

They're volunteering for high priority facilities that are clearly much harder to staff than ZSU.

/s

 

[MJ]

appears the search function has been nerfed.

Pm me why pls

 

[Acquired Taste]

It took a year before someone failed the TETRA course.

March 12th is the only TETRA class scheduled at this time. That class already has students assigned to it from the RTF-Large class that started on January 2nd. They will then attend TSEW-Large before starting TETRA. There are six more RTF-Large classes scheduled and 6 more TSEW-Large classes scheduled.
Here's the TETRA class list, and then in the prerequisites line is links to the other required class lists. FAA Catalog of Training

I have a friend at RTF right now. He said the one that failed TETERA was retained and offered PBI. Needless to say no one in that guy's class was too pleased.

Thanks to MJ for restoring the search function. Looks like the first TETRA class started in March 2018 and the first guy that failed and went to PBI was in June 2018.

 

[Cpt_munky]

Well that blows a huge hole in my genius plan.

It has been referred to as the nuclear option for quite a while now. Quit for a year the reapply to get out of a black hole

 

[Hope]

6/18 IQTR List
Cat A: ZSU
Cat B: ICT U90 ZSU ORF M03 BOI CRP SAT BHM MSY
Cat C: A11 JCF Y90 JAX PBI SAV HCF IND CVG SDF ABQ CMH OKC P80 PIT CHS MYR TYS AUS GEG MKE

Class finished 10/11. Picked:
1 ABQ Volunteer
1 JCF Volunteer
1 AUS
1 P80
1 PIT
1 GEG
1 CHS
1 MKE
1 ICT
1 ZSU

From the ATC Academy & Hiring Discord

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

So it is possible to fail.

 

[Wizard]

So it is possible to fail.

Let’s be real, if you fail iqtr you probably saved some people a lot of time.

 

[Cpt_munky]

Let’s be real, if you fail iqtr you probably saved some people a lot of time.

Can I go to iqtr?

 

[Hope]

7/31 IQTR Class
Cat B: ICT U90 ZSU ORF BOI M03 SAT BHM CRP
Cat C: A11 JCF COS Y90 JAX PBI RSW SAV ZUA HCF IND CVG SDF MSY AZO MCI T75 RDU R90 ABQ CLE CMH OKC TUL PIT CHS MYR TYS AUS GEG MKE

Class finished 7/11. Picked:
CMH
ABQ
JCF
COS
OKC
Y90
ICT

From the ATC Academy & Hiring Discord

 

[SquawkHijack]

How the fuck are R90 and MCI in this Cat C list?? Both currently have releasable staffing in the high 80% and have projected staffing over 100% with several peeps in training. Make this make sense…

EDIT: I reached out to my ERR rep to ask and received the following:

“They don’t have to be critically staffed, just have openings as far as I’m aware. The category is determined by the staffing level, which is why I assume R90/MCI made cat C, being above 80% but not 100%.”

So apparently projected staffing doesn’t seem to be a factor for new-hires with zero experience, it just matters for certified controllers like you and I trying to get released somewhere and further our career…

 

[32andBelow]

How the fuck are R90 and MCI in this Cat C list?? Both currently have releasable staffing in the high 80% and have projected staffing over 100% with several peeps in training. Make this make sense…

EDIT: I reached out to my ERR rep to ask and received the following:

“They don’t have to be critically staffed, just have openings as far as I’m aware. The category is determined by the staffing level, which is why I assume R90/MCI made cat C, being above 80% but not 100%.”

So apparently projected staffing doesn’t seem to be a factor for new-hires with zero experience, it just matters for certified controllers like you and I trying to get released somewhere and further our career…

Sending people where they want to live will help fix staffing. Forcing people across the country cus of numbers is how we wound up here.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Sending people where they want to live will help fix staffing. Forcing people across the country cus of numbers is how we wound up here.

It’s sad man, I know it’s been discussed in here many a time that every ERR creates two trainees and the FAA hates that, but there’s no quality of life in this career field. Nor potential for any career progression anymore. They [FAA & NATCA] have ruined what once was a rewarding and great paying job.