Mick Devine - Our Members Deserve Better Than Social Media Attacks

[ManBearPig]

I did not mention pay, though being aggressive with it considering our importance should be a top consideration (I struggle to understand NDJH advocating for differentials, while at its core would not be a good thing as they do not carry into retirement). We are in an era of too much collaboration, full stop. It has proven both good and bad though has evolved into more bad than good. NCEPT alone is proof of that and the dismemberment of N90 (controversial and while we agree it needs to happen the way it was conducted is absolutely horrid / see my FOIA thread where NATCA still has not told us what they got for supporting it). NATCA telling us that it would be impossible to vote on privatization is another one, sure it will probably not happen in our careers but removing our voice from the process (by leadership) is extremely concerning to say the least.

Also as for a federal union that is aggressive and assertive, yes I know I am limited to the NCR at present, but NTEU which represents 150,000 employees (roughly). I'll leave you to google examples of them but what I have heard (first hand) still leaves me impressed.

N90 happened 100% under Rich as both RVP and President. It was utter bullshit the way it went down and he not only let it happen, but appears to of endorsed it.


I agree N90 needs to be moved off L.I., but not that way.

 

[32andBelow]

There are millions of federal employees. Name a federal sector union that has gotten its employees more pay/rights that we should be mimicking.

mitch has already shown the math on how our contract hasn’t kept up. Getting back to where we already were isn’t that crazy.

Why do VA nurses get Saturday pay? We do other federal employees get student loan repayment? We don’t have all the benefits that exist in the government.

The n90 thing don’t even make sense the way the FAA did it cus you’d think they’d do it so they could reassign all those controllers to the other areas of n90 to fix staffing.

But the big thing which people miss is that we didn’t vote for rich and we didn’t vote for nick. We voted for JD and change. Now we are two choice left and one was hostile to the 20% and one tried to bring us in. They aren’t going to get defended if they don’t get some wins at the negotiations

 

[Wizard]

N90 guys choosing to relocate with a golden ticket after 3 years and other benefits. How many of you wouldn’t choose that?

 

[GulfCharlie]

N90 happened 100% under Rich as both RVP and President. It was utter bullshit the way it went down and he not only let it happen, but appears to of endorsed it.


I agree N90 needs to be moved off L.I., but not that way.

It did, no denying that and I should have stated it (my fault for implying otherwise). Agreed, I even donated to the gofundme for the lawyer. Representation should have occurred and it did not, that is a betrayal beyond a doubt.

Agreed.

 

[32andBelow]

N90 guys choosing to relocate with a golden ticket after 3 years and other benefits. How many of you wouldn’t choose that?

I assume people who don’t want to move wouldn’t do it.

 

[Nothanks]

mitch has already shown the math on how our contract hasn’t kept up. Getting back to where we already were isn’t that crazy.

Why do VA nurses get Saturday pay? We do other federal employees get student loan repayment? We don’t have all the benefits that exist in the government.

The n90 thing don’t even make sense the way the FAA did it cus you’d think they’d do it so they could reassign all those controllers to the other areas of n90 to fix staffing.

But the big thing which people miss is that we didn’t vote for rich and we didn’t vote for nick. We voted for JD and change. Now we are two choice left and one was hostile to the 20% and one tried to bring us in. They aren’t going to get defended if they don’t get some wins at the negotiations

Don’t quote my question and then not name a federal union. Tell me the federal union that has gotten their employees more than ours. I’m curious

 

[32andBelow]

Don’t quote my question and then not name a federal union. Tell me the federal union that has gotten their employees more than ours. I’m curious

AFGE got the tsa 26%+

 

[Move78]

I'll bite because it is a slow day here:

1. How is Lenny a lying fraud? The man has never hid who he was or what he stood for?

It’s not a free speech site. It’s a campaign site for Rich and Mick and it’s full of lies. It’s disappointing that our own people post such awful attacks on there and it’s also disappointing that our people are stupid enough to believe that shit. So just a massive disappointment all around.

2. Lenny has stated multiple times he is not a mod or even the creator of the sub, seems to be quite a bit of a reach no?

Bullshit

3. The Union was always damaged and its corruption has only increased with time, with the present being an uncontrolled outlet for criticism. In this particular case that sub gave a voice (for good or ill) to the disenfranchised and the angry members allowing those who seek change to weaponize public opinion.

Everyone already has a voice on this site. Union member or not. I thought it was bad on here. But atc2 is an actual narrative. It’s a teenager’s version of cable news.

You have a massive amount of vitriol as the Union crumbles, NATCA's collapse is inevitable (my opinion, if Nick is elected it will speed it up even more) and part of the natural order of things. I suspect NATCA will eventually be replaced by a new entity that will be much more aggressive in pursing our various rights.

It’s a byproduct of caring and investment. We’re worse off without a union but we’ve taken all that for granted. But yeah this shit has been a total disaster in recent years and the election season has been a slow motion Tower 7 demo.

 

[GulfCharlie]

It’s not a free speech site. It’s a campaign site for Rich and Mick and it’s full of lies. It’s disappointing that our own people post such awful attacks on there and it’s also disappointing that our people are stupid enough to believe that shit. So just a massive disappointment all around.

Bullshit

Everyone already has a voice on this site. Union member or not. I thought it was bad on here. But atc2 is an actual narrative. It’s a teenager’s version of cable news.

It’s a byproduct of caring and investment. We’re worse off without a union but we’ve taken all that for granted. But yeah this shit has been a total disaster in recent years and the election season has been a slow motion Tower 7 demo.

1. PointSixtyFive is not a free speech website and I seem to remember the sub simping hard for JD & Redmond. I will agree that perhaps the truth is stretched there but that if you cross reference some information, a sizeable portion is confirmed to be true. I will not ask you to point out what specifically is lied about, but again if you dig deep enough there is some information that has caused a great degree of consternation among the higher echelons of the union.
2. Is it bullshit simply because you say it is?
3. Union or not people have a voice on that sub, but again PointSixtyFive nor the sub are "free speech."
4. Well your investment seems to have paid off well, no one wants to get rid of the Union instead they just want it replaced with a better / more aggressive and assertive entity. The Navarro incident stands as a testament to include the "coup" or "rebellion" /call it what you will, RVP stand against Rich (similar to what happened to Pat Forrey).

I dislike everyone that is running, but as it has often been repeated during this election, there is a "lesser of two evils."

 

[LennyA21]

It’s not a free speech site. It’s a campaign site for Rich and Mick and it’s full of lies. It’s disappointing that our own people post such awful attacks on there and it’s also disappointing that our people are stupid enough to believe that shit. So just a massive disappointment all around.

Bullshit

Everyone already has a voice on this site. Union member or not. I thought it was bad on here. But atc2 is an actual narrative. It’s a teenager’s version of cable news.

It’s a byproduct of caring and investment. We’re worse off without a union but we’ve taken all that for granted. But yeah this shit has been a total disaster in recent years and the election season has been a slow motion Tower 7 demo.

The sub was created by Justin and Redmond supporters for people who got banned on ATC. So how on earth is that a rich and mick campaign site?

I’ve been banned on atc2, I disagree with why, seems weird that I would ban myself if I was a mod. I guess you’re part of the I’m everyone on Reddit crowd. The list of mods is on the subreddit, you can click them and check their comment/post history. It was pretty heavily in favor of Justin and Redmond.

Nick and Jamaal’s campaign coordinated to make fake accounts to try and “Control the narrative on atc2”. They tried making other subreddits it’s just no one cared to hear what they had to say.

The union is better because scammers are called out on atc2. People get to voice what they want about the union. I’m all for the member having a voice where they don’t have to take 20 phone calls from nick about how the Natca family is great and being on a yacht is great

 

[Mike Kilo]

Not to mention people speaking against NDJH were being censored on the main ATC Reddit page and that’s why they moved to ATC2. Just like anywhere take what you read with a grain of salt and as mentioned above it has caused quite a bit of consternation even if not all factually backed. I’m not seeing the statements saying they are all lies etc.

As far as everyone quitting due to region leadership changes they are all bitches. Throwing tantrums that really won’t hurt the higher up but instead the members will suffer that are waiting for grievances to finish up etc. Make a statement and quit, but allow time for replacements and training to take place. These people run around and call you “brother” and then do this shit, it’s pathetic.

 

[Wizard]

The sub was created by Justin and Redmond supporters for people who got banned on ATC. So how on earth is that a rich and mick campaign site?

I’ve been banned on atc2, I disagree with why, seems weird that I would ban myself if I was a mod. I guess you’re part of the I’m everyone on Reddit crowd. The list of mods is on the subreddit, you can click them and check their comment/post history. It was pretty heavily in favor of Justin and Redmond.

Nick and Jamaal’s campaign coordinated to make fake accounts to try and “Control the narrative on atc2”. They tried making other subreddits it’s just no one cared to hear what they had to say.

The union is better because scammers are called out on atc2. People get to voice what they want about the union. I’m all for the member having a voice where they don’t have to take 20 phone calls from nick about how the Natca family is great and being on a yacht is great

You have made 164 threads against NDJH on Reddit. You’re the definition of a stalker and a fucking loser. No doubt you were also the fatporrey account too.

 

[LennyA21]

You have made 164 threads against NDJH on Reddit. You’re the definition of a stalker and a fucking loser. No doubt you were also the fatporrey account too.

Sounds like NDJH did 164 things wrong. Nope I don’t need fake accounts or fake hardships

 

[32andBelow]

You have made 164 threads against NDJH on Reddit. You’re the definition of a stalker and a fucking loser. No doubt you were also the fatporrey account too.

They all turned out to to be true. Since he’s clearly fed real info from other people on the NEB or Richard himself

 

[Move78]

They all turned out to to be true. Since he’s clearly fed real info from other people on the NEB or Richard himself

This is false

 

[Move78]

1. PointSixtyFive is not a free speech website and I seem to remember the sub simping hard for JD & Redmond. I will agree that perhaps the truth is stretched there but that if you cross reference some information, a sizeable portion is confirmed to be true.

Confirmed by who?

I will not ask you to point out what specifically is lied about, but again if you dig deep enough there is some information that has caused a great degree of consternation among the higher echelons of the union.

I did. And it was shadow banned

2. Is it bullshit simply because you say it is?

It’s bullshit. The shit you guys believe on the internet is embarrassing.

3. Union or not people have a voice on that sub, but again PointSixtyFive nor the sub are "free speech."

If you post bullshit on this page people are allowed to say you’re full of shit. That’s most of what I do on here.

4. Well your investment seems to have paid off well, no one wants to get rid of the Union instead they just want it replaced with a better / more aggressive and assertive entity. The Navarro incident stands as a testament to include the "coup" or "rebellion" /call it what you will, RVP stand against Rich (similar to what happened to Pat Forrey).

I dislike everyone that is running, but as it has often been repeated during this election, there is a "lesser of two evils."

By reupping the current administration. We are the crosseyed character in Spaceballs.

 

[32andBelow]

Confirmed by who?

I did. And it was shadow banned

It’s bullshit. The shit you guys believe on the internet is embarrassing.

If you post bullshit on this page people are allowed to say you’re full of shit. That’s most of what I do on here.

By reupping the current administration. We are the crosseyed character in Spaceballs.

Bro nick himself has responded to most of it to explain it away. He hadn’t called it false.

 

[PlasticBag12]

This is false

In the court of public opinion, you’re the defense for the NDJH camp. You’re providing ZERO arguments to create reasonable doubt that NDJH and party are absent of guilt for the shenanigans they are accused of committing.

I can agree not ALL of the accusations turned out to be valid/true. The other two running for election are NOT clean whatsoever. They deserve their own criticism. But a majority of the accusations against NDJH were substantiated with evidence. Emails, tax statements, messages etc.

FatPorrey was on here making shitposts about green holidays and raises. Lenny delivered proof that the decisions happening behind closed doors were broken at best. And those decisions being made by the elected positions were not beneficial or representative to the average member’s concerns or thoughts of how to further this career.

I also agree that ATC2 can be a lot of bitching, but not a whole lot of action, ideas or answers. Some of the highlights shared there, biased or not (not all are against NDJH), shed light for some members on what has happened behind closed doors in the recent past and what the most important protections are for those currently in charge of and/or running for election for our Union leadership.

 

[32andBelow]

In the court of public opinion, you’re the defense for the NDJH camp. You’re providing ZERO arguments to create reasonable doubt that NDJH and party are absent of guilt for the shenanigans they are accused of committing.

I can agree not ALL of the accusations turned out to be valid/true. The other two running for election are NOT clean whatsoever. They deserve their own criticism. But a majority of the accusations against NDJH were substantiated with evidence. Emails, tax statements, messages etc.

FatPorrey was on here making shitposts about green holidays and raises. Lenny delivered proof that the decisions happening behind closed doors were broken at best. And those decisions being made by the elected positions were not beneficial or representative to the average member’s concerns or thoughts of how to further this career.

I also agree that ATC2 can be a lot of bitching, but not a whole lot of action, ideas or answers. Some of the highlights shared there, biased or not (not all are against NDJH), shed light for some members on what has happened behind closed doors in the recent past and what the most important protections are for those currently in charge of and/or running for election for our Union leadership.

Not a lot of action? They forced a runoff and got everyone to understand we don’t want an extension

 

[Soul_Controller]

Not a lot of action? They forced a runoff and got everyone to understand we don’t want an extension

Yeah, but they also went full dumbfuck on article 114 shit and things in general that that just amount to whiny bullshit. You think Tim Ariel cares that his GMs or LR team aren't working airplanes? But we get this naive, immature "working planes is the highest form of being" nonsense on our side? You guys basically went full on "vote for the guy that's promising us pizza every day for school president" and squeezed out talk on real issues like the EWR-N90 thing or fatigue negotiations etc. ALL TO END UP ENDORSING THE FUCKING INCUMBENT. People risked destroying the functionality of the union for that?