Geeare27 said:Trump is def gonna push for privatization, that shouldn't even be in question at this point. Prepare for things to get bad
Privatization is not gonna happen. It's definitely gonna be questioned since it's not happening
Midair Collision DCA
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#42 Not even on the list of important things when dealing with this accident……. But Can you imagine trying to fight for a new contract in the midst of this right now?
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#43 nab said:
twitter.com/i/web/status/1884804664392093928
Here is actual audio with helicopter pilot
The controllers background. The “oooh” sounded almost like a gut punch and someone saying “oh my god”. Can’t imagine having to witness that live.
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#44 HurryUpandWait said:
Yeah… “he said he had him in sight” is spewed from developmentals all the time and the usual reply from CPCs is it isn’t “ensured”.
I’ve had more than my share of trainees do the same. It’s so frustrating when you can sense an open ended issue not being resolved fully…
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#45 HurryUpandWait said:
Yeah… “he said he had him in sight” is spewed from developmentals all the time and the usual reply from CPCs is it isn’t “ensured”.
Gladly left the boards when I got my good-time as I was tired of beating my head against the wall explaining and writing-up the differences in positive control and procedural control. There is a major difference in knowing aircraft are separated (positive control) and thinking aircraft are separated (procedural control).
In Bravo airspace, when two aircraft collide mid-air in VFR conditions, it's always the fault of the controllers.
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#46 Mike Kilo said:
Great leader pointing a blame finger before the facts are completely known. Leaders do not do that, only clowns. An orange clown SMDH
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#47 echster said:
Gladly left the boards when I got my good-time as I was tired of beating my head against the wall explaining and writing-up the differences in positive control and procedural control. There is a major difference in knowing aircraft are separated (positive control) and thinking aircraft are separated (procedural control).
In Bravo airspace, when two aircraft collide mid-air in VFR conditions, it's always the fault of the controllers.
What's the point of maintain visual separation then, should the controllers hop in the cockpit and stop them from flying into the traffic they say they see? Fuck off
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#48 MagioX1 said:
Did anyone save this before it was deleted?
Yep I got it saved I don’t know how to upload the full video but I have it saved outside of Twitter.
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#49 AB19 said:
What's the point of maintain visual separation then, should the controllers hop in the cockpit and stop them from flying into the traffic they say they see? Fuck off
The point being made is you can't assume what the pilot is looking at. I'm not going to Monday morning QB it as I'm sure there is also a trust factor the DC guys have with those Huey pilots that transit through there all the time, but was he aware the CRJ was circling to 33? You can never assume in this job but we all do to some extent. This poor dude will live with that the rest of his life.
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#50 cmac said:
The point being made is you can't assume what the pilot is looking at. I'm not going to Monday morning QB it as I'm sure there is also a trust factor the DC guys have with those Huey pilots that transit through there all the time, but was he aware the CRJ was circling to 33? You can never assume in this job but we all do to some extent. This poor dude will live with that the rest of his life.
If you listen to the audio the original traffic call he told the helicopter pilot the CRJ would be circling to 33.
Looking at the track from the falcon replay it looks like they were just in a track to pass behind if the CRJ had stayed on rwy 1 so maybe they missed that part of the traffic call and assumed they would be on rwy 1
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#51 CF said:
Man this looks so bad. The copter pilot either didn’t see the right plane or completely misjudged what they were doing. They flew right at them.
Does anyone think this HELO pilot was a Kamikaze?
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#52 echster said:
Gladly left the boards when I got my good-time as I was tired of beating my head against the wall explaining and writing-up the differences in positive control and procedural control. There is a major difference in knowing aircraft are separated (positive control) and thinking aircraft are separated (procedural control).
In Bravo airspace, when two aircraft collide mid-air in VFR conditions, it's always the fault of the controllers.
Dunning-Kruger ass post lol
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#53 echster said:
Gladly left the boards when I got my good-time as I was tired of beating my head against the wall explaining and writing-up the differences in positive control and procedural control. There is a major difference in knowing aircraft are separated (positive control) and thinking aircraft are separated (procedural control).
In Bravo airspace, when two aircraft collide mid-air in VFR conditions, it's always the fault of the controllers.
Always?
These are the clowns they hire into QC.
This guy missed a required traffic call to the RJ. Had he done that it would just be on the helo pilot. Proper visual is ensured separation. -
#54 Well the pilot has ultimate authority and responsibility for the aircraft so clearly, it’s his fault
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#55 Spoony90 said:
Well the pilot has ultimate authority and responsibility for the aircraft so clearly, it’s his fault
Yeah but we both know how this will play out.
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#56 GulfCharlie said:
Yeah but we both know how this will play out.
Oh definitely. Pilot is ultimately in charge until something happens then our ass is in trouble. Someone’s gotta take the blame
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#57 Spoony90 said:
Oh definitely. Pilot is ultimately in charge until something happens then our ass is in trouble. Someone’s gotta take the blame
The only one still alive in this situation is the controller, so an easy scapegoat. Also where is our union with a statement?
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#58 WavesAndClouds said:
The only one still alive in this situation is the controller, so an easy scapegoat. Also where is our union with a statement?
Bet this fucking shitty Union won’t even tell the American public the reason this happened was because the controller was underpaid.
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#59 Move78 said:
Bet this fucking shitty Union won’t even tell the American public the reason this happened was because the controller was underpaid.
This particular controller wasn't underpaid. He failed to do the most fundamental part of the job.
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#60 KP-ATC said:
This particular controller wasn't underpaid. He failed to do the most fundamental part of the job.
Fly the helicopter for the pilot?
