22papa said:Places like this ICT/A11/ABQ etc. I understand. A place like P80 with 97% projected and ERRs inbound along with how the tower class gets to pick now really is gonna have a whole generation stuck at every low level up/down. Guess they should’ve just been smarter and applied a couple years later.
That’s the worst part about how this job placement is. Everything is just timing. And that timing determines whole careers which is ridiculous
IndiaKilo said:All these changes are putting undesirable low level up/downs in absolute purgatory. The only way to get academy grads is to drop below 80%. Once you get one grad the facility is above 80% but not above 85% to release. They are no longer required to send more trainees so the facility is just stuck not being able to release and not picking anyone up because no grad is voluntarily going to pick that facility.
The whole you can’t pick up can’t release zone needs to go away. You should be one or the other or both. But never neither. Many centers can never release because of this
Here is the volunteer list for the IQTR Track:
Hope said:Here is the volunteer list for the IQTR Track:
It's nice to see that previous experience hires are not being neglected as well in all this. Looks like they are trending this new track in the right direction. Time will tell how effective it is.
S.T.O.P. said:It's nice to see that previous experience hires are not being neglected as well in all this. Looks like they are trending this new track in the right direction. Time will tell how effective it is.
They should start letting people volunteer before they go so they can get their track switched.
S.T.O.P. said:I like this more than the 8's they were offering before. These facilities are the ones that need the staffing more than the tower only's.
I think that list is every 8 & 9 in the NAS, and they are not all the only ones that need staffing. MCI, R90 & P80 are a few examples of this just off the top of my head.
EDIT: Not trying to troll by saying that, I personally just can’t wrap my head around why they included every 8 & 9 as part of this track. It’s not like they’re going to send anyone to the well staffed facilities on there. Then again who tf knows. 🤷🏼♂️
S.T.O.P. said:It's nice to see that previous experience hires are not being neglected as well in all this. Looks like they are trending this new track in the right direction. Time will tell how effective it is.
Are they letting priors go to 8’s and 9’s now? I feel like I missed something.
SquawkHijack said:Are they letting priors go to 8’s and 9’s now? I feel like I missed something.
On that photo with the facility tracks, the bottom left says those are for previous experience new hires with sufficient experience. It also says they are "not" for new hires
S.T.O.P. said:On that photo with the facility tracks, the bottom left says those are for previous experience new hires with sufficient experience. It also says they are "not" for new hires
Previous experience has had 8s and 9s on it for a long ass time
boots said:Previous experience has had 8s and 9s on it for a long ass time
Only for a small group of people though. You gotta have a specific approach cert or 10 years of exp I feel like to get those.
S.T.O.P. said:On that photo with the facility tracks, the bottom left says those are for previous experience new hires with sufficient experience. It also says they are "not" for new hires
See that part is BS to me. Why can some academy grad who got a hot-shit score at OKC have 8’s and 9’s to choose from but a prior exp hire has to have relevant experience to be offered anything above a 7?? Someone who’s already put in the time and shown they have the prowess to certify and continue to hone their skills working on their own… I don’t understand why HR does this shit.
SquawkHijack said:See that part is BS to me. Why can some academy grad who got a hot-shit score at OKC have 8’s and 9’s to choose from but a prior exp hire has to have relevant experience to be offered anything above a 7?? Someone who’s already put in the time and shown they have the prowess to certify and continue to hone their skills working on their own… I don’t understand why HR does this shit.
I’ve never been at an 8 or 9 so don’t know what the prior exp people are like that actually get to pick those, but at my old facility I found them to be worse on average than academy grads.
SquawkHijack said:See that part is BS to me. Why can some academy grad who got a hot-shit score at OKC have 8’s and 9’s to choose from but a prior exp hire has to have relevant experience to be offered anything above a 7?? Someone who’s already put in the time and shown they have the prowess to certify and continue to hone their skills working on their own… I don’t understand why HR does this shit.
Because the FAA's method has always been to just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.
22papa said:I’ve never been at an 8 or 9 so don’t know what the prior exp people are like that actually get to pick those, but at my old facility I found them to be worse on average than academy grads.
I would not argue with the sentiment. I will say that the skill and abilities of .mil priors depends largely where they were stationed. Someone from Minot AFB is likely to be trash compared to someone who was at Eglin AFB RAPCON.
Also depends on what 8 and 9 they’re going to. Prior or not, I’d say your chances at ICT are better than going to Deer Valley Tower.
SquawkHijack said:I would not argue with the sentiment. I will say that the skill and abilities of .mil priors depends largely where they were stationed. Someone from Minot AFB is likely to be trash compared to someone who was at Eglin AFB RAPCON.
Also depends on what 8 and 9 they’re going to. Prior or not, I’d say your chances at ICT are better than going to Deer Valley Tower.
Eglin can also be trash too. Previous experience doesn’t always translate to faa experience from what I’ve seen.
stankmasta said:Eglin can also be trash too. Previous experience doesn’t always translate to faa experience from what I’ve seen.
In my short time in the agency, academy grads have done significantly worse than all the priors we've gotten. But I agree that you can either suck or be good whether you come from the academy or military.
ajmezz said:Because the FAA's method has always been to just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.
Plus with the amount of changing that is happening makes it impossible to guess what the facility selection will look like in the future. I think academy grads should have the shot at 8-9s, but let’s not just screw over the military priors while they sort out whatever it is they are doing.
A buddy got a list a few months ago which had 8s on it. They emailed him back shortly after receiving the list, telling him to disregard all 8s and only choose from the 7s and below.
Up/down levels don't matter anyway, not like it's the real traffic worked there. Everyone should have a shot at them.
S.T.O.P. said:In my short time in the agency, academy grads have done significantly worse than all the priors we've gotten. But I agree that you can either suck or be good whether you come from the academy or military.
Of course everyone is going to have different experiences, but in my 11 years I have seen more previous experience hires wash or struggle.
The prior military who have come through OTS have never been much better. But I suppose they don’t have enough experience to do the Prior bids
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