Nothanks said:Isn’t that why NATCA had to go to congress to get higher staffing target numbers written into law? I don’t think Natca is happily working 6 day work weeks.
They give up all their negotiating capital to fix the FAA staffing. Very cool.
New academy track
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#122 bradlutz said:
How else you going to get someone to work at Utqiagvik.
We’ll find out when Musk and Vivek build the new super center there, because fuck us haha
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#123 RadarRick said:
We’ll find out when Musk and Vivek build the new super center there, because fuck us haha
Marjorie Taylor Green Air Traffic Control and Weather Manipulation Campus
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#124 AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:
I’m optimistic about it. Those two seem more concerned about mid level management and people who work from home. If you’re looking to cut out bloat, there is plenty of it above us.
Anybody who works in a government function that falls outside of what is congressionally and statutorily defined may be at risk. CLEARLY that does not refer to 2152s. If you report to work during a government shutdown, my money says you are not up for consideration.
Add the ingredient of two straight years of media coverage about piss poor controller staffing and high-profile aviation incidents (e.g. the cockbag at AUS etc) and you have one strong cocktail that screams, “ATC… off limits.”
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#125 Nothanks said:
Isn’t that why NATCA had to go to congress to get higher staffing target numbers written into law? I don’t think Natca is happily working 6 day work weeks.
NATCA should be encouraging their members to take care of their physical and mental health, and not work 6 day weeks months/years on end. It’s been a decade plus of it at some facilities. It’s far too late for me to give them any credit for strong arming the FAA into getting us enough people.
IMO, the union would encourage their members to take care of themselves, and then let the agency figure it out when they don’t have enough people. If that means heavily curtailing services and massive delays, that’s what should happen.Let the leadership of the FAA answer to congress and the media about why ATC towers and radar facilities are closed for staffing, in an allegedly first world country. Instead we have this Frankenstein system where somehow your salary with 500 hours of OT is quoted as normal, and union reps seemingly silent on the need of the workforce to have more than 4 days off a month.
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#126 bradlutz said:
How else you going to get someone to work at Utqiagvik.
Or Bismarck. There’s a supe bid there with a full PCS… it’s open for 364 days, meaning no one has applied
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#127 32andBelow said:
They give up all their negotiating capital to fix the FAA staffing. Very cool.
The workforce bitches about 6 day weeks long before the inflation hit
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#128 RadarRick said:
NATCA should be encouraging their members to take care of their physical and mental health, and not work 6 day weeks months/years on end. It’s been a decade plus of it at some facilities. It’s far too late for me to give them any credit for strong arming the FAA into getting us enough people.
IMO, the union would encourage their members to take care of themselves, and then let the agency figure it out when they don’t have enough people. If that means heavily curtailing services and massive delays, that’s what should happen.Let the leadership of the FAA answer to congress and the media about why ATC towers and radar facilities are closed for staffing, in an allegedly first world country. Instead we have this Frankenstein system where somehow your salary with 500 hours of OT is quoted as normal, and union reps seemingly silent on the need of the workforce to have more than 4 days off a month.
“Take care of themselves” how? Call in sick on overtime ? Go for it. I don’t know what you’re getting at? You do realize it is the agencies right to assign work and overtime up to 6 days a week? I’m not saying I like it but those are the rules. It’s up to each individual to “take care of themselves” No one can force anyone to do anything
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#129 32andBelow said:
They give up all their negotiating capital to fix the FAA staffing. Very cool.
They didn’t give up anything? You guys say some stupid shit sometimes.
They fought the agency for years on what is right. We don’t control faa finance and the cwp. So there was no negotiating capital lost by going to congress and forcing the agency to do what’s right.
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#130 Nothanks said:
“Take care of themselves” how? Call in sick on overtime ? Go for it. I don’t know what you’re getting at? You do realize it is the agencies right to assign work and overtime up to 6 days a week? I’m not saying I like it but those are the rules. It’s up to each individual to “take care of themselves” No one can force anyone to do anything
If they assign me an overtime on a day I don't want to work. I will call out. If they say anything about it then it's because I had made plans when I bid my RDOs with the assumption that I would have the day off on my 'regular day off'. Just cause the agency assigns overtime and is allowed to means fuck all to me🤷♂️. I'm fatigued
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#131 Nothanks said:
They didn’t give up anything? You guys say some stupid shit sometimes.
They fought the agency for years on what is right. We don’t control faa finance and the cwp. So there was no negotiating capital lost by going to congress and forcing the agency to do what’s right.
Reread what you just typed.
Getting “people,” much less Congress, to do the right thing requires the expenditure of some sort of currency. To say nothing, or political capital, was not expended trying to get Congress to do the right thing demonstrates a measure of disconnect to say the least and at best an extreme amount of naivety.
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#132 Nothanks said:
They didn’t give up anything? You guys say some stupid shit sometimes.
They fought the agency for years on what is right. We don’t control faa finance and the cwp. So there was no negotiating capital lost by going to congress and forcing the agency to do what’s right.
You can only ask for so much. Raises a retention should have been part of the reauth. We shouldn’t have to ask for things that should already be done.
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#133 32andBelow said:
You can only ask for so much. Raises a retention should have been part of the reauth. We shouldn’t have to ask for things that should already be done
NATCA also should have got no assigned OT for no listers when they were negotiating the fatigue MOU. Every third weekend or whatever is a plus but it's like they did the absolute bare minimum
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#134 Gauff said:
NATCA also should have got no assigned OT for no listers when they were negotiating the fatigue MOU. Every third weekend or whatever is a plus but it's like they did the absolute bare minimum
Or OT rates that increase based on how much you’ve worked.
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#135 Gauff said:
If they assign me an overtime on a day I don't want to work. I will call out. If they say anything about it then it's because I had made plans when I bid my RDOs with the assumption that I would have the day off on my 'regular day off'. Just cause the agency assigns overtime and is allowed to means fuck all to me🤷♂️. I'm fatigued
I could very well be wrong here. But can your management really give you a sick leave counseling and subsequent abuse letter(s) for banging out on OT shifts if you aren’t even technically using/being charged sick leave for that?
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#136 Gauff said:
NATCA also should have got no assigned OT for no listers when they were negotiating the fatigue MOU. Every third weekend or whatever is a plus but it's like they did the absolute bare minimum
You really think the agency just gave away their right to assign you overtime? Like it was nothing? You guys are delusional.
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#137 32andBelow said:
Or OT rates that increase based on how much you’ve worked.
You don’t think anyone tried for that? It’s not a novel idea.
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#138 Nothanks said:
You don’t think anyone tried for that? It’s not a novel idea.
They asked the congress for this?
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#139 32andBelow said:
They asked the congress for this?
I doubt that. Congress wouldn’t be who you ask for that.
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#140 Nothanks said:
I doubt that. Congress wouldn’t be who you ask for that.
You can ask for anything