Raise when?
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When will someone care about how dire our situation is? lol
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PooseMaGoose
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When it can be written in blood. It's the federal way.
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Because the Government doesn’t give a fuck about you, in any regard. It still blows my mind there’s a lot of people that think they do.
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There are jobs and unions that have negotiated for sabbatical leave. Too bad our union won't negotiate. If you could take 3-6 months off as a refresher every few years, 6 day weeks wouldn't be so ridiculous.
And the private sector always cares about you.
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No, they don’t either.
The truth of the matter is that air traffic controllers are actually paid better but treated worse than the vast majority of government employees. The lengthy qualification process is probably the primary reason. In almost every other job, an employee can transfer and almost immediately be productive. As you all know, that isn't the case in our profession and that affects the manning issues, the transfer issues, and the leave issues. The rules of federal employment are ok for the vast majority but not for controllers. Unfortunately, controllers have no (legal) avenue to address those issues. The union can affect things around the edges but really has no leverage in trying to deal with the really important matters. I don't see that ever changing.
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Let's see how much people start really caring about national infrastructure after what just happened in Baltimore...
People with the actual power to fix things won't start to really care until something on the scale of Tenerife happens. Or when there are frequent enough critical staffing triggers where it can be directly tied to a significant and repetitive impact on GDP: infrequent and rare ground stops are a nuisance to travelers, frequent and routine delays & cancellations & reroutes & holding are a detriment to shareholders.
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As someone completely unfamiliar with the construction of bridges, are they normally built to withstand a cargo ship ramming them?Let's see how much people start really caring about national infrastructure after what just happened in Baltimore...
People with the actual power to fix things won't start to really care until something on the scale of Tenerife happens. Or when there are frequent enough critical staffing triggers where it can be directly tied to a significant and repetitive impact on GDP: infrequent and rare ground stops are a nuisance to travelers, frequent and routine delays & cancellations & reroutes & holding are a detriment to shareholders.
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Duh.
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As someone who's knowledge about bridge construction includes an 8th grade physics project, a best friend with a masters degree in civil & structural engineering from the University of Michigan, and a recent stay at a Holiday-Inn, I can say with a complete lack of confidence that bridges built in the 1970's probably weren't even built to withstand disco. Regardless, that shit crumbled into the water faster than you could count 1-Mississippi, and it's nowhere near the friggin' Mississippi.
Anecdote about my friend: I remember visiting him once during grad school ~15 years ago and one of his textbooks was titled "Principles of Reinforced Concrete: Volume Two" and was roughly 800 pages. I about pooped my Pampers and muttered "you is smart."
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Command center does everything in their power to avoid triggers. We didn’t have staffing to safely run the area recently, and I begged TMU for help and just got the response, sorry command center doesn’t want to do any flows, feel free to route around via controller to controller coordinationLet's see how much people start really caring about national infrastructure after what just happened in Baltimore...
People with the actual power to fix things won't start to really care until something on the scale of Tenerife happens. Or when there are frequent enough critical staffing triggers where it can be directly tied to a significant and repetitive impact on GDP: infrequent and rare ground stops are a nuisance to travelers, frequent and routine delays & cancellations & reroutes & holding are a detriment to shareholders.
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Man, just imagine if someone could FOIA that recorded line conversation and get it into the hands of a journalist that has a penchant for throwing the FAA/ATC under the bus. It sure would be a shame if there was an easy finger to point at the command center...
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I read this through the Chick-Fil-A drive through, well done brother lol.
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Yeah, the neighboring center really loves it when we call and ask for MIT because TMU won't stop launching planes
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You ask the neighboring sector for 30 miles or more and that will definitely reach the command center. And that is how you force their hand.
To be clear, I wasn't disagreeing with the other poster. That's what you have to do sometimes. TMU says "You can handle it, no TMIs" so we've definitely taken it upon ourselves to shut off an adjacent feed. It's not a good look, but oh well, we just didn't have the bigger picture.
