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Peter Gibbons said:
So again, your solution is to trust the ruling elites (who are also bad, so long as they also happen to be part of the government, but okay somehow if they are CEOs) and thier benevolence to do the right thing and make sure workers are treated fairly and we all get a fair shake, and it's purely the government's fault that can't happen?

They've shown time and fucking time again they can't handle that responsibility. That's why we have labor unions. That's why we passed all those anti trust laws in the early 20th century. That's why we have the FDIC. And OSHA. And FDA. And the DOT. And the SEC, and a million other private organizations and gov agencies whose some purpose is to keep the excesses in check. Except they've all been bought and paid for by the same money you say is the solution and not the problem.

I mean shit bruh sounds to me like you want a return to gilded age america. You seem like I pretty smart guy I don't need to tell you what happened in the wake of that, or that it was only really gilded for a few.

You AnCap types blow my mind. Like y'all are so close to getting it but you just can't let go of that selfish little voice in your brain telling you you can be the big man one day if you keep trying real hard.
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What is “it”
 
BPM31694 said:
What is “it”
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Authoritarian state communism obviously


/S

"It" is recognizing that yes, too much centralized power is bad, but that applies to much more than just the evil gubermint. Money IS power, they ain't gonna give it up, they aren't trying to share with you me or anybody else, and given the opportunity they will continue to take more with zero thought to the repercussions for the rest of us.

Elon Musk is not your friend, no matter how many based maymays he posts on Twitter.

32andBelow said:
Republicans good

www.independent.co.uk

Oklahoma bill to fine teachers $10k for contradicting religion

Under Senator Rob Standridge’s Students’ Religious Belief Protection Act subjects like LGBT+ issues, evolution and the big bang theory, even birth control could be off the table
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Bring on the satanic temple suing for teaching the pledge of allegiance.
 
Peter Gibbons said:
So again, your solution is to trust the ruling elites (who are also bad, so long as they also happen to be part of the government, but okay somehow if they are CEOs) and thier benevolence to do the right thing and make sure workers are treated fairly and we all get a fair shake, and it's purely the government's fault that can't happen?

They've shown time and fucking time again they can't handle that responsibility. That's why we have labor unions. That's why we passed all those anti trust laws in the early 20th century. That's why we have the FDIC. And OSHA. And FDA. And the DOT. And the SEC, and a million other private organizations and gov agencies whose some purpose is to keep the excesses in check. Except they've all been bought and paid for by the same money you say is the solution and not the problem.

I mean shit bruh sounds to me like you want a return to gilded age america. You seem like I pretty smart guy I don't need to tell you what happened in the wake of that, or that it was only really gilded for a few.

You AnCap types blow my mind. Like y'all are so close to getting it but you just can't let go of that selfish little voice in your brain telling you you can be the big man one day if you keep trying real hard.
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Lol once again I don't like Elon or Jeff but they can't force me to buy a tesla or have my Chinese made goods delivered to my door step in 2 days. But cheap credit and regulatory benefits has made it easy for them to grow into large powerful corporations that keep the little businessman down. It's easy to beat the competition when Amazon can offer convenience and a better price than the small business that I actually have to get dressed for and use my gas to drive to. It's easy to compete in the auto industry when add fancy little gimmicks to your car that consumers think are cool and then get the gov to subsidize the cost of the cars so they don't seem that much more expensive than an ICE car.

As for those greedy CEOs taking advantage of workers, they can always leave and seek better compensation and benefits. There's nothing stopping anyone from applying for the best job they can get. And if they can't get a better job or make more money being self employed, then I guess Amazon and Walmart are the best possible option. That's how free choice and markets work. No one is forcing anyone to work anywhere and I encourage anyone who thinks otherwise to go ahead and start a business and pay their employees what they would say is a fair wage and benefits package.

All of those government agencies have made life worse. And yes they are all bought and paid for. Which is exactly why they need to dismantle them. What does the fdic do? They just created moral hazard among depositors where they don't care what banks do with their money because it's federally guaranteed. Banks can make all kinds of reckless loans and no one cares. If there was no insurance, people would actually care about the qualify of a banks balance sheet and there would also be a market for private depositor insurance where a bank could still be insured but the private insurer would have a much higher vested interest than the the government currently does to make sure the bank isn't going to go under and they aren't going to have to pay out. Why do we need OSHA? We don't need the government regulating the safety of every workplace. Let the workers and employers figure it out. If it's unsafe and the workers don't want to take the risk, they're free to find another employer that meets their safety expectations. If you get hurt on the job due to your employers negligence, you're going to take them to court for all their worth anyway so they have a vested interest in their employee's safety. There's countless other gov agencies that are useless but I'll digress.

The problem is you progressives think all the world's problems can be solved if we just take more from the billionaires and provide everyone with free everything. You don't understand that it's a math problem. No matter how much you take from the rich, it will never be enough to even wet your lips, let alone to quench your thirst. I'm not an AnCap either bruh. I'm a Libertarian who believes in individual freedoms and rights and believe there is a role for government but it's very small. Federal Government is meant to be in charge of homeland security and maintaining a military to do so and to protect individuals' rights to property, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They are not there to be everyone's emergency fund if you lost your job. They shouldn't be in charge of education. They shouldn't be in charge of running the biggest ponzi scheme retirement "fund" in history aka social security. They shouldn't have anything to do with health care whatsoever. They shouldn't be in charge of bailing out corporations, no matter how large and important they are. If people want those things, they should vote on them and fund them at the state and local levels. There's a reason they don't.... it's because they'd never work
 
AB19 said:
I just fucked my sleep schedule, Peter Gibbons have you seen the AnCap video from Adam something on YouTube?
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I have not, however you sent me down the YouTube hole and I found it, along with this one I'm posting below, which sums up my views much better than I can.
Acquired Taste said:
Lol once again I don't like Elon or Jeff but they can't force me to buy a tesla or have my Chinese made goods delivered to my door step in 2 days. But cheap credit and regulatory benefits has made it easy for them to grow into large powerful corporations that keep the little businessman down. It's easy to beat the competition when Amazon can offer convenience and a better price than the small business that I actually have to get dressed for and use my gas to drive to. It's easy to compete in the auto industry when add fancy little gimmicks to your car that consumers think are cool and then get the gov to subsidize the cost of the cars so they don't seem that much more expensive than an ICE car.

As for those greedy CEOs taking advantage of workers, they can always leave and seek better compensation and benefits. There's nothing stopping anyone from applying for the best job they can get. And if they can't get a better job or make more money being self employed, then I guess Amazon and Walmart are the best possible option. That's how free choice and markets work. No one is forcing anyone to work anywhere and I encourage anyone who thinks otherwise to go ahead and start a business and pay their employees what they would say is a fair wage and benefits package.

All of those government agencies have made life worse. And yes they are all bought and paid for. Which is exactly why they need to dismantle them. What does the fdic do? They just created moral hazard among depositors where they don't care what banks do with their money because it's federally guaranteed. Banks can make all kinds of reckless loans and no one cares. If there was no insurance, people would actually care about the qualify of a banks balance sheet and there would also be a market for private depositor insurance where a bank could still be insured but the private insurer would have a much higher vested interest than the the government currently does to make sure the bank isn't going to go under and they aren't going to have to pay out. Why do we need OSHA? We don't need the government regulating the safety of every workplace. Let the workers and employers figure it out. If it's unsafe and the workers don't want to take the risk, they're free to find another employer that meets their safety expectations. If you get hurt on the job due to your employers negligence, you're going to take them to court for all their worth anyway so they have a vested interest in their employee's safety. There's countless other gov agencies that are useless but I'll digress.

The problem is you progressives think all the world's problems can be solved if we just take more from the billionaires and provide everyone with free everything. You don't understand that it's a math problem. No matter how much you take from the rich, it will never be enough to even wet your lips, let alone to quench your thirst. I'm not an AnCap either bruh. I'm a Libertarian who believes in individual freedoms and rights and believe there is a role for government but it's very small. Federal Government is meant to be in charge of homeland security and maintaining a military to do so and to protect individuals' rights to property, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They are not there to be everyone's emergency fund if you lost your job. They shouldn't be in charge of education. They shouldn't be in charge of running the biggest ponzi scheme retirement "fund" in history aka social security. They shouldn't have anything to do with health care whatsoever. They shouldn't be in charge of bailing out corporations, no matter how large and important they are. If people want those things, they should vote on them and fund them at the state and local levels. There's a reason they don't.... it's because they'd never work
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I think this sums it up pretty well and addresses pretty much everything you said above and previously.

The one thing it doesn't address is the corruption, which is relatively straight forward to get rid of if those in power are given reason to do so, which yes would most likely involve changing those in power. I'm not at all shocked that congress balks at the mere idea of not being allowed to trade freely on things they have their hands in. I'm also not shocked that Dan Crenshaw straight up came out and said he's in Congress to "better himself" financially. That's all just proving my point though. If the people with the "power" are still trying to get the paper, doesn't that show the paper truly is the power?


You'll hear no argument from me that many of those gov agencies (and unions for that matter) have become arms of the businesses and employers they are supposed to be safeguarding against, and that is a travesty. But the reason for that isn't because they exist, it's because people find ways to take advantage when given the opportunity and motive to do so, so take away the means and motive.

Hope you like sucking coconut man's dick.
 
32andBelow said:
You said Biden is provoking a war which is an insane take
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www.nytimes.com

Is Biden’s Strategy With Putin Working, or Goading Moscow to War? (Published 2022)

The Biden administration’s goal is to cut the Russians off at each turn by exposing their plans. But Russian President Vladimir V. Putin says that approach could spark a conflict.
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So “insane” of a take that it literally is part of a New York Times headline a few days later. Another 32 post that didn’t age well ?

[edit] they changed it to “goading,” but I saw this on my feed this morning:

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Acquired Taste said:
I would define the poors as your average minimum wage earner with low skills, likely collecting some form of welfare, and without much drive or capability to move upward in society. For the most part, being a CPC puts you squarely in the middle to upper middle class, or whatever is left of it anyway, depending on location and how many dependents you have. And as far as your point about making a living wage with no education while your wife stayed home? You're preaching to the choir. My grandpa supported a wife who stayed home and 5 kids in a middle class lifestyle with a high school education. My dad dropped out of hs, got a GED, and was able to work as a mechanic for the city government which allowed my mom to stay home and raise my brother and I until we were old enough to go school so she could get a job that was a little better than minimum wage. I'm a millenial and we grew up very middle class. Now I'm also wondering how I'm going to be able to afford a house one day and know that if I have a wife and kids one day, she'll likely have to work to maintain a comfortable lifestyle. Does that suck? Absolutely, but I'm a realist and I recognize the problem.

What has changed during the last 50+ years? Have corporations really just slowly gotten more greedy as the years have gone by? I don't think so. The real culprit as I've been preaching forever is the growing size and scope of government and the lack of sound money. Central bankers rule the world. Decades of bad policy means means America has gone from the biggest creditor nation to the biggest debtor. We don't make anything here. We print money and use it to buy cheap Chinese shit. 70% of our "robust" economy is services. Yes, I hate the billionaires and the Blackstones of the world but you have to look at why they are able to do the things they do. It's because the Fed has kept interest rates artificially low for so long that the entire market and economy is distorted. Savers can't get safe returns anywhere so they have to go further and further out on the risk curve, loading up stonks and crypto and other risky assets. Zombie companies that don't make any money are enabled to thrive and suck up capital that would be allocated elsewhere but for the fact that money and debt is so artificially cheap that they don't need to make a profit. Stock speculators have are leveraged to the tits buying any random ticker because valuations don't matter, only liquidity does. So yes, evil enterprises like blackstone are going to borrow money from the fed a 0.25% and buy up all the real estate they can and rent it out to you because there's no risk in doing so. They can borrow limitless amounts and basically can't lose. It's not their fault for taking advantage of the rules of the game. It's that the rules were so poorly designed in the first place!

And once again to the point of bezos and Musk being so rich, it's all a function of funny money and stonk valuations. It could all go poof if they tried to cash out. You saw elon sold like $20 billion in stonk a few months back and tesla crashed like 35%? Lost probably about $400B in market cap so he could cash out $20B worth. Same with bezos, if he sold all his stonk this year, Amazon would probably crash 75%.

And you guys want to talk about these big businesses thriving and making record profits but like to ignore all these dumb covid restrictions that put the final nail in the coffin of the struggling small businesses who were trying to compete. Like let's close small businesses down, make all restaurants take out only for a long time, pay all the workers more to stay home than they made at their monotonous, unstimulating job, and then wonder why small businesses are going under left and right. Only "essential" retailers like Walmart and Amazon and big box grocers allowed to stay open. If the politicians goal was to decimate the country, increase the wealth gap, impoverish as many people as possible and bankrupt as many business owners as possible, they followed the perfect game plan to do so.

The lifespan on this party is almost over though. We don't have any more road left to kick the can. Even the phony government inflation number is running hot at over 7% and the fed has to pretend they can raise rates and withdraw liquidity without causing a depression. But it's not possible. Either they pop they biggest bubble in history and we see the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes, or they take the cowards way out and reverse course and keep printing until the dollar loses all of it's purchasing power and we see the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes. Either way, shit is gonna hit the fan soon and there's nothing we can do about it, not even tax every billionaire and all their unrealized gains at 100%. I just hope we can learn something and the people who deserve the blame get it, but since most are too dumb to see the forest for the trees, I'll see you soon in USSA comrade.
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GulfBravoPapa said:
So Frontier and Spirit want to merge...
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They should just pull Allegiant into the deal while they’re at it. Have one jumbo, super shitty low cost carrier.

Never really understood the appeal of the ultra low budget model. You save a bit on the base fare, but if you want literally anything beyond your butt in a seat; the ability to bring bags (including carry ons), choose your seat, refreshments, etc. you usually end up paying more in fees than if you just buy a ticket with one of the bigger carriers.
 
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ClearanceClarence said:
They should just pull Allegiant into the deal while they’re at it. Have one jumbo, super shitty low cost carrier.

Never really understood the appeal of the ultra low budget model. You save a bit on the base fare, but if you want literally anything beyond your butt in a seat; the ability to bring bags (including carry ons), choose your seat, refreshments, etc. you usually end up paying more in fees than if you just buy a ticket with one of the bigger carriers.
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One time I took spirit from MSP to DTW and it was awesome. I didn’t have any bags to check. The flight was Wildin too. They were raffling free tickets off and people were cheering and dancing and shit
 
ClearanceClarence said:
Never really understood the appeal of the ultra low budget model. You save a bit on the base fare, but if you want literally anything beyond your butt in a seat; the ability to bring bags (including carry ons), choose your seat, refreshments, etc. you usually end up paying more in fees than if you just buy a ticket with one of the bigger carriers.
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For almost a decade I used to fly LAS to DTW several times a year to visit family and friends. At some point Spirit (with all their additional charges and fees) became considerably cheaper (20% or more) than Delta, and Delta's overall quality took a step down one those particular flights. I switched to Spirit and accrued so many miles that I am still burning through them 5 redeemed flights later.

While it seems like the overall value is clearly back to legacy carriers in most instances, the ability to opt for Spirit's "Big Front Seat" is something I will miss when I switch back. It runs me an extra $100-150 for each round-trip but if a flight is 2.5+ hours or at a weird time of day then it is a great value without opting for business class on a legacy carrier.
 
If you transfer to a higher/lower level facility, do you pay the same amount for insurances or do the deductions rise/lower?

Example: Transfer from a 4 to a 12, will you pay more for insurance due to pay increase?
 
Super Salt said:
If you transfer to a higher/lower level facility, do you pay the same amount for insurances or do the deductions rise/lower?

Example: Transfer from a 4 to a 12, will you pay more for insurance due to pay increase?
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It should be based on your plan, which I’m pretty sure is a dollar amount and not a percentage. So it shouldn’t change the cost unless you have a percentage-based plan?
 
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