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[jamisjockey]

32andbelow wears a mask when he drives alone

Left and right authorization are the same cmm

 

[Homsar]

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Lol here’s yours then

I’m supposed to engage an ad homenim argument and ignore the content of the discussion? That’s not how that works…

Seeing all of the people who liked that post speaks volumes about why logical fallacies are so prevalent here.

This article basically says that kids rarely die from it anyway, so the cons possibly outweigh the pros. "Statistically insignificant" basically means that 'yeah, maybe a few more kids might die if we loosen the restriction, maybe not, but better to let them all go maskless and take the risk. Those handful of kids dying isn't statistically relevant when looking at the whole picture.'

I mean, I dont have kids, so IDGAF if they mask or not. Isn't a chance I personally have to take.

But hey, giant thumbs ? for sharing genuine scientific information and not useless drivel. One step closer to becoming a lib.

Yes, that’s entirely the point: When a safety measure does not show a statistically significant increase in safety, and it has numerous drawbacks, it should be discarded. That summarizes most gun control measures.

 

[CF]

I’m supposed to engage an ad homenim argument and ignore the content of the discussion? That’s not how that works…

Seeing all of the people who liked that post speaks volumes about why logical fallacies are so prevalent here.

Two Wrongs

 

[Homsar]

Two Wrongs

I don’t see how that’s relevant, explain?

 

[AB19]

Left and right authorization are the same cmm View attachment 6554

Based and need political compass flairs pilled

 

[CF]

I don’t see how that’s relevant, explain?

I don’t feel like typing out a whole thing but my point is even if his message was ad hominem(not saying it wasn’t), you calling it that and nothing else doesn’t do any more for the discussion than he did.

 

[AB19]

FDA approval for Pfizer and Trump getting booed for telling his base to get the vaccine what a week

 

[CF]

UPDATE 3-U.S. FDA grants full approval to Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine

can’t wait to see all the “waiting for full approval” folks to rush out and get it now ?

 

[32andBelow]

Neither do 99.9 percent of everyone else who gets covid

No one dies from covid.

 

[Homsar]

I don’t feel like typing out a whole thing but my point is even if his message was ad hominem(not saying it wasn’t), you calling it that and nothing else doesn’t do any more for the discussion than he did.

Since he did nothing to refute my point, the discussion is stalled. I made my point, and instead of making a counter point, he made an ad homenim. To respond to the ad homenim changes the discussion from the original point, which makes the original discussion moot. I didn’t want the original discussion moot, so I pointed out the ad homenim instead of replying to it. The proper response from him should have been acceptance of the ad homenim and then a refutation of the original point.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

I don’t see how that’s relevant, explain?

What you continually fail to acknowledge is you can't just go LoGiCaL FaLlAcY! as a counter argument alone, because it's not one, and as I've pointed out before is a fallacy in and of itself. Its all faux intellectualism if you are using them as your debate instead of a way to frame a debate.

Damn near every statement can be spun as one fallacy or another if you aren't required to back up your claims, which is what you try to do time and again. It's not a free ticket to say what you want without having to justify your viewpoint when someone counters it. That's not how that works at all, with the exception of incredibly egregious examples that don't require responses.

So yes, him calling you an idiot is in fact an ad hominem (which also...welcome to the internet, new here? Cry more.) but it doesn't negate the rest of his statement.

 

[Homsar]

UPDATE 3-U.S. FDA grants full approval to Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine

can’t wait to see all the “waiting for full approval” folks to rush out and get it now ?

Does their immunity from liability for side effects expire with this? If not, that’s going to be the new goalpost, and rightly so in my opinion.

[edit] This says it doesn’t expire until 2024:

You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won't compensate you for damages either

Companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from legal liability under the PREP Act if something unintentionally goes wrong with their Covid vaccines.

www.cnbc.com

FDA approval should mean assumption of liability for the company, it’s ridiculous that they be shielded from something they’re raking in profits from.

 

[Homsar]

What you continually fail to acknowledge is you can't just go LoGiCaL FaLlAcY! as a counter argument alone, because it's not one

It clearly wasn’t a counter argument for me to point it out. Lol

 

[ManBearPig]

FDA approval should mean assumption of liability for the company, it’s ridiculous that they be shielded from something they’re raking in profits from.

Truth.

 

[CF]

Does their immunity from liability for side effects expire with this? If not, that’s going to be the new goalpost, and rightly so in my opinion.

[edit] This says it doesn’t expire until 2024:

You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won't compensate you for damages either

Companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from legal liability under the PREP Act if something unintentionally goes wrong with their Covid vaccines.

www.cnbc.com

FDA approval should mean assumption of liability for the company, it’s ridiculous that they be shielded from something they’re raking in profits from.

So waiting for full approval was never the standard then?

Since he did nothing to refute my point, the discussion is stalled. I made my point, and instead of making a counter point, he made an ad homenim. To respond to the ad homenim changes the discussion from the original point, which makes the original discussion moot. I didn’t want the original discussion moot, so I pointed out the ad homenim instead of replying to it. The proper response from him should have been acceptance of the ad homenim and then a refutation of the original point.

Yeah you’re probably right but shouting “ad hominem” doesn’t fix anything that’s why I posted the two wrongs page.

 

[32andBelow]

Does their immunity from liability for side effects expire with this? If not, that’s going to be the new goalpost, and rightly so in my opinion.

[edit] This says it doesn’t expire until 2024:

You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won't compensate you for damages either

Companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from legal liability under the PREP Act if something unintentionally goes wrong with their Covid vaccines.

www.cnbc.com

FDA approval should mean assumption of liability for the company, it’s ridiculous that they be shielded from something they’re raking in profits from.

I like how you guys are down to legal mumbo jumbo arguments. Well it’s approved but what about the lawyers?!

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Dude shut up. You’re just as bad as the mask and fauchi cult.
You’re all the same.

It clearly wasn’t a counter argument for me to point it out. Lol

Claiming ad hominem clears up none of this, giving some fact based assertions as to why you and 32andBelow are in fact not the same kind of zealot in different hats would.

Does their immunity from liability for side effects expire with this? If not, that’s going to be the new goalpost, and rightly so in my opinion.

[edit] This says it doesn’t expire until 2024:

You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won't compensate you for damages either

Companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from legal liability under the PREP Act if something unintentionally goes wrong with their Covid vaccines.

www.cnbc.com

FDA approval should mean assumption of liability for the company, it’s ridiculous that they be shielded from something they’re raking in profits from.

So what you are saying is the goalpost of "I'm waiting for full fda authorization" is.....shifting? Crazy how that works just fine for mostly baseless opinions and not scientific analysis based in research and the realities of a situation. It's fucking wild wouldn't you say?

 

[32andBelow]

Don’t worry he is gonna take his horse pills to prevent covid

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Don’t worry he is gonna take his horse pills to prevent covid

Joe Rogan had that IDW guy on who said it works, must be true. None of those dudes have any ulterior motives whatsoever.

 

[32andBelow]

Joe Rogan had that IDW guy on who said it works, must be true. None of those dudes have any ulterior motives whatsoever.

The anti vaxxers are always looking for some weird pill to take. Or a sign from god. But scientists creating a vaccine isn’t a sign