Slate Book Extended Until 2029

[FightingIrish2012]

Price is Right style?

11% quit the union. Maybe optimistic, but that’s this year’s churn.

You still have people in training who probably will want to but hang on. Additionally, you have some people who will stay in because they believe it plays a role in transferring, and then they will stay in while they train.

Then you will continue to lose 1% a year for the next couple of years, only bolstering losses by signing up new people. Maybe a little higher the year after next (2-3%) if people propose worthwhile constitutional amendments and witness them get shot down, maintaining the status quo.

The other wild card: PAC loss for the coming cycle. A lot of people who won’t leave will voice their displeasure this way. I’d wager a 20% loss to the PAC.

It will then be interesting to see the union’s financials if it does happen. I’d predict some committees meet less in person, as they will probably be cut first. You probably won’t see cuts to any RVP’s budget, that’s for sure.

Of course, they could always offset it by selling all that awesome merch we hear about in the NATCA store.

I think these are good estimates, a 11% loss in membership and a 20% PAC loss. I hope those numbers hold too.

Also consider that if 11% 2152 controllers leave, that counts more then just 11% of the union. These Region X people and FCT pawns don’t give to the PAC, don’t rise to leadership in NATCA, pay lower dues, and simply don’t matter as much.

The FAA 2152’s fuel the union, you lose more then 10% of them, it will resonate. Also after a year if 10% leave and the others see nothing “happens” to them, hopefully that inspires another 10% to leave in 2026.

 

[jdatc]

I think these are good estimates, a 11% loss in membership and a 20% PAC loss. I hope those numbers hold too.

Also consider that if 11% 2152 controllers leave, that counts more then just 11% of the union. These Region X people and FCT pawns don’t give to the PAC, don’t rise to leadership in NATCA, pay lower dues, and simply don’t matter as much.

The FAA 2152’s fuel the union, you lose more then 10% of them, it will resonate. Also after a year if 10% leave and the others see nothing “happens” to them, hopefully that inspires another 10% to leave in 2026.

That is another thing as well, the waterfall effect of people getting out. It does gain momentum.

Also; it’s hard to replace the PAC losses because you end up losing a few max pac’ers who feel frustrated and you have a hard time recruiting people to even give small amounts each pay period after they believe National just spit in their face.

“Hi, we just ignored the poll results we just did In XXX region, where you said you understood the EO’s and wanted us to negotiate, but come to the solidarity event and please sign up”

Good luck with that!

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Anyone want to guess how many people will quit the union?

Per the PPT, there are 187 lvl 4-7 towers/up downs with around 2600 controllers that definitely needed a raise because they've or will be stuck for nearly half their career by the time the extension ends. If you include all 8-9's, there are 68 facilities with around 1700 controllers. So that could potentially be 10-20% of members not including centers that got shafted for upgrades. Knowing NACTA they'll probably spin it something as a good thing.

What is worse is our own “brothers and sisters” that work at higher level facilities claim they don’t matter because they pay lower dues.

 

[ajmezz]

Reference what you said about “believing it plays a role in transferring,” would you agree it plays a pretty decent role in transferring? Always heard if you’re not in natca you’ve got a pretty low chance of getting ranked where you’d want to/should be ranked for the possible gaining facility.

It plays a role but it more so depends on where you’re trying to go as well. Someone from my current facility is not in the union and ranked last but got selected bc when it came time for that facility to select, they were the only option available.

 

[Phillytroll69]

What is worse is our own “brothers and sisters” that work at higher level facilities claim they don’t matter because they pay lower dues.

Unfortunately this is just business.

90% of your income comes from 90 employees in Building B.

10% comes from 10 employees in Building A.

Who do you listen to?

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Unfortunately this is just business.

90% of your income comes from 90 employees in Building B.

10% comes from 10 employees in Building A.

Who do you listen to?

 

[Horno]

I think these are good estimates, a 11% loss in membership and a 20% PAC loss. I hope those numbers hold too.

Also consider that if 11% 2152 controllers leave, that counts more then just 11% of the union. These Region X people and FCT pawns don’t give to the PAC, don’t rise to leadership in NATCA, pay lower dues, and simply don’t matter as much.

The FAA 2152’s fuel the union, you lose more then 10% of them, it will resonate. Also after a year if 10% leave and the others see nothing “happens” to them, hopefully that inspires another 10% to leave in 2026.

I think this is the real problem. NATCA representing FCT and region X that frankly don’t understand our battles as FAA floor controllers. But I think NATCA knows that. That’s why they were pushing for region X and FCT. When we all leave, they’ll still have those 2 sources of income to stay afloat. If NATCA never represented region X or FCTs the union actually might have crumbled after Daniel’s announcement. Furthermore, region X and FCT is probably the swing that pushed Daniels over the finish line.

 

[LennyA21]

I think this is the real problem. NATCA representing FCT and region X that frankly don’t understand our battles as FAA floor controllers. But I think NATCA knows that. That’s why they were pushing for region X and FCT. When we all leave, they’ll still have those 2 sources of income to stay afloat. If NATCA never represented region X or FCTs the union actually might have crumbled after Daniel’s announcement. Furthermore, region X and FCT is probably the swing that pushed Daniels over the finish line.

The swing was him saying he was negotiating a new contract in 2026. If he said he was extending if a republican won the results are not the same.

 

[Jayyy Jayyy]

Reference what you said about “believing it plays a role in transferring,” would you agree it plays a pretty decent role in transferring? Always heard if you’re not in natca you’ve got a pretty low chance of getting ranked where you’d want to/should be ranked for the possible gaining facility.

Every facility is different. Some ATM’s defer to NATCA, some give themselves the final say.

As someone royally screwed by NCEPT, I wish it were true that non-members were ignored or bypassed.

I watched a system-abusing trainwreck at my facility get their 3rd *attempt* at a transfer at my expense. Non-member. Ranked dead last. I was ranked #1 and the next one out. We could only release one, and that’s who they selected.

What happened to me is probably statistically very low and hopefully a one-off. But it still happened, and it’s a microcosm of why NCEPT in its current iteration is completely broken and illogical.

 

[Horno]

The swing was him saying he was negotiating a new contract in 2026. If he said he was extending if a republican won the results are not the same.

Rich said he would negotiate too without giving caveat. I guess nick had people disappointed with status quo and region x/fct working for him. Regardless my point is I don’t think NATCA can represent us FAA controllers in good faith because FCT and region X are different in their needs vs. ours

 

[Bandit117]

Every facility is different. Some ATM’s defer to NATCA, some give themselves the final say.

As someone royally screwed by NCEPT, I wish it were true that non-members were ignored or bypassed.

I watched a system-abusing trainwreck at my facility get their 3rd *attempt* at a transfer at my expense. Non-member. Ranked dead last. I was ranked #1 and the next one out. We could only release one, and that’s who they selected.

What happened to me is probably statistically very low and hopefully a one-off. But it still happened, and it’s a microcosm of why NCEPT in its current iteration is completely broken and illogical.

Under patco transfers were seniority based. Everyone should have the right to transfer, there’s a lot of good reasons to leave the union these days so I really can’t fault anyone for doing so. Doesn’t change the fact non members are entitled to all the same programs.

I would do transfer requests first by seniority, crossed against how many facilities you have been to. Ie the first tier is people at their first facilities. Once the last first facility person is picked it moves to the next tier, 2nd facility people, ordered by seniority. Then third facility etc. Everyone should get at least one shot. I’ve been doing this long enough that I know people still stuck at their first facility, and I know people who have been picked up at 4 or 5 different facilities, all in the same timeframe. The only thing that seems to make a difference is luck, you get placed at a well staffed facility and make smart moves to other staffed facilities, you can keep going. You get places in a Bismarck or a Fairbanks and it’s all over for you before it even starts.

 

[Mike Kilo]

In case anyone missed the town halls here is a clip of Nick “listening” to member concerns.

 

[D-Dub]

I hadn’t seen this, thank you for sharing. One thing Sean said that really stood out to me was how teamsters had been there for him and his family through good and bad. He always felt supported. Yesterday someone said to Nick that his facility felt like he didn’t have empathy for us. And I cant always decipher the message through all the words Nick uses, but his response to that, which I couldn’t quote to save my life, just reiterated that he doesn’t.

He’s not receptive to feedback, and the town halls felt almost patronizing. Like “okay I’m going to let you guys vent so you can feel better,” with no effort to learn or understand or empathize. What was gained? I personally feel worse about this whole ordeal after 3 days of watching him grow stronger in his convictions and almost mocking the people who challenge him with facts. What was the point? I originally was in the camp of giving him credit for allowing so many people to give him hell but I’ve since changed as it seems the intent was just to create an illusion of listening to members. He let members talk. But he didn’t hear them.

Now that the anger has worn off it’s really just kinda… sad.

I like the expression, "You heard me, but you weren't listening." It fits well here.

By a candidate that’s changed positions more times than Riley Reid

At least Riley's position changes gave us more clarity on what was actually happening.

That is another thing as well, the waterfall effect of people getting out. It does gain momentum.

Around covid my facility went from 100% to 50%. Now we sit around 50 to 60% pretty steadily now with new hires coming in.

My local is decentish, but our regional is a "everything is great! You should go to this awesome ATX briefing! We have no grievances." Mouthpiece for national. He doesn't really come to our facility anymore, and when he does, he will absolutely not talk to non-members.

Wouldn't you want to figure out why a facility at 100% dropped by half and what you could do to bring them back?

That and ND(no I didn't vote for him) running a completely false campaign is why I'll be submitting my 1188.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Just read through the EOs. Don’t see anything about federal unions unless I’m blind or don’t have the full list

 

[Termine]

You don't have the full list because those were just the Day 1 EOs... Trump hasn't even been in office 24 hours yet. There will be more coming.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

You don't have the full list because those were just the Day 1 EOs... Trump hasn't even been in office 24 hours yet. There will be more coming.

I keep reading he signed 200 EOs

 

[Raise when?]

Im so grateful for the forever book! Thank god we protected the 77 articles so deeply entrenched union sack riders can continue their no show and no work scam details!

 

[FlightOfTheShortGuy]

Im so grateful for the forever book! Thank god we protected the 77 articles so deeply entrenched union sack riders can continue their no show and no work scam details!

Yeah the agency wants those 77 articles back! They also want to negotiate right now! But they are also okay with waiting until 2029 to get those back and not 2026! It totally makes sense what our NEB is saying!

 

[Raise when?]

Yeah the agency wants those 77 articles back! They also want to negotiate right now! But they are also okay with waiting until 2029 to get those back and not 2026! It totally makes sense what our NEB is saying!

Nick “Judas” Daniels is a sell out scumbag used car salesman. And a coward, never forget coward.

 

[SquawkHijack]

I like the expression, "You heard me, but you weren't listening." It fits well here.


At least Riley's position changes gave us more clarity on what was actually happening.



Around covid my facility went from 100% to 50%. Now we sit around 50 to 60% pretty steadily now with new hires coming in.

My local is decentish, but our regional is a "everything is great! You should go to this awesome ATX briefing! We have no grievances." Mouthpiece for national. He doesn't really come to our facility anymore, and when he does, he will absolutely not talk to non-members.

Wouldn't you want to figure out why a facility at 100% dropped by half and what you could do to bring them back?

That and ND(no I didn't vote for him) running a completely false campaign is why I'll be submitting my 1188.

Fuck this sounds like NCE 🧐