Terminal Class pass rate

jalbert97 said:

We ended the day with 9/17 passing.

Oof that’s an en route pass rate. What happened there?

jalbert97 said:

We ended the day with 9/17 passing.

9/17 passing in terminal?!

CinderBlock said:

Oof that’s an en route pass rate. What happened there?

Hard to say. I'd say a combination of factors. There seemed to be a glaring issue with a certain evaluator that graded significantly harsher than others. We were warned of this before evals by several instructors. Our Lead Instructor talked to us at the end of the day and expressed frustration with the whole final eval process, and the aforementioned evaluator. He even went as far as saying that we may be his last class because he has had enough of dealing with it (this instructor has been there for well over 10 years). It was honestly disheartening to see how defeated our Lead Instructor felt. As a new employee, I don't feel I need to be sharing my two cents, but there seems to be some deep-rooted systemic issues that I have seen or heard of in the past three days. Those of us that did pass wanted to feel happy for ourselves but it was a bittersweet day. We realize it's normal to lose a couple people in each class but this was a significant number of failures.

jalbert97 said:

Hard to say. I'd say a combination of factors. There seemed to be a glaring issue with a certain evaluator that graded significantly harsher than others. We were warned of this before evals by several instructors. Our Lead Instructor talked to us at the end of the day and expressed frustration with the whole final eval process, and the aforementioned evaluator. He even went as far as saying that we may be his last class because he has had enough of dealing with it (this instructor has been there for well over 10 years). It was honestly disheartening to see how defeated our Lead Instructor felt. As a new employee, I don't feel I need to be sharing my two cents, but there seems to be some deep-rooted systemic issues that I have seen or heard of in the past three days. Those of us that did pass wanted to feel happy for ourselves but it was a bittersweet day. We realize it's normal to lose a couple people in each class but this was a significant number of failures.

That really sucks. Congrats for those of you that made it though.

Oof that’s rough . Anyone looking to come to cae.

WagonWheeler said:

9/17 passing in terminal?!

I mean five people failed Basics this week too... so it isn't like we've got the A team going through the Academy right now

GulfBravoPapa said:

I mean five people failed Basics this week too... so it isn't like we've got the A team going through the Academy right now

Sucks for them but if someone gets washed by basics we are all safer as a result. I thought pretty much anyone with a pulse and a little motivation to study could pass that.

My tower class went 9/18 back in 2017. And all of the guys that failed would have been better trainees than we’ve been getting lately.

GulfBravoPapa said:

I mean five people failed Basics this week too... so it isn't like we've got the A team going through the Academy right now

would be interested to see consolidated numbers for online vs in person. seems to be a much higher failure rate with this format.

MJ said:

would be interested to see consolidated numbers for online vs in person. seems to be a much higher failure rate with this format.

How long did basics in person last? I remember hearing something like 6 work weeks but I’m not confident in that. I did basics online and it’s 17 work days so just barely over 3 weeks. Maybe that’d be a factor.

FlightOfTheShortGuy said:

How long did basics in person last? I remember hearing something like 6 work weeks but I’m not confident in that. I did basics online and it’s 17 work days so just barely over 3 weeks. Maybe that’d be a factor.

It was about 4 weeks when I went 8 years ago. Maybe because you get per diem and are pulled from your home environment, you are able to focus more on the class.

jalbert97 said:

Hard to say. I'd say a combination of factors. There seemed to be a glaring issue with a certain evaluator that graded significantly harsher than others. We were warned of this before evals by several instructors. Our Lead Instructor talked to us at the end of the day and expressed frustration with the whole final eval process, and the aforementioned evaluator. He even went as far as saying that we may be his last class because he has had enough of dealing with it (this instructor has been there for well over 10 years). It was honestly disheartening to see how defeated our Lead Instructor felt. As a new employee, I don't feel I need to be sharing my two cents, but there seems to be some deep-rooted systemic issues that I have seen or heard of in the past three days. Those of us that did pass wanted to feel happy for ourselves but it was a bittersweet day. We realize it's normal to lose a couple people in each class but this was a significant number of failures.

My class went 9/17 last year too. I know how you feel. Sucks seeing the room get emptier each day.

FlightOfTheShortGuy said:

How long did basics in person last? I remember hearing something like 6 work weeks but I’m not confident in that. I did basics online and it’s 17 work days so just barely over 3 weeks. Maybe that’d be a factor.

Something like 6-7 weeks when I did it 15 years ago. And if you failed Basics then, this job wasn’t for you.

JumperBones said:

Something like 6-7 weeks when I did it 15 years ago. And if you failed Basics then, this job wasn’t for you.

If you fail basics you might be brain dead

BrocolliRob said:

My tower class went 9/18 back in 2017. And all of the guys that failed would have been better trainees than we’ve been getting lately.

My tower class went 6/18 back in November 2017 as well. All of those people would have made fine controllers. The academy needs some new folks in charge to change a LOT of stuff up. Basics should be in person as well and not online too IMO. I've never done well in online classes (or even an hour-long Zoom meeting for that matter). We need to set people up for success. Telling someone they can't be a controller because they messed up a callsign on their last run is ridiculous.

Any update on the last class selection?

brewski said:

Any update on the last class selection?

TOA, CAE, MOB, BGR, MGM, FSM, FSM, SEE, AVP

Hope said:

TOA, CAE, MOB, BGR, MGM, FSM, FSM, SEE, AVP

When does the next class pick?

2/12 Terminal List

AVP
DLH
ACK
JAN
BTR
MGM
MLI
BTV
DLH
EVV
HPN
CMI
LFT
TRI
AMA
BDL
TUS
MRY

From the ATC New Hiring Discord

AS88 said:

We need to set people up for success. Telling someone they can't be a controller because they messed up a callsign on their last run is ridiculous.

I strongly agree. I still occasionally mess up call signs as a CPC but it's not the end of the world. You make SO many mistakes in training at your facility and are given numerous opportunities to get better. It's ridiculous that it's not like that at the academy. They need to reconstruct the entire grading rubric at the academy and I think people would do better if every single practice run was scored and your graded on how well you do the entire 2-3 months, not have 90% of everything rely on your last 3 days. Just my opinion though