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SharkBait

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It’s gotta be everyone hanging out inside with the temps dropping. I think cold states and Canada and Northern Europe prove this
I spoke to an ICU/lung specialist a week or two ago and he said as the weather gets warmer people will move further south with the snowbirds. He also mentioned almost every single person in their hospital had recently attended an indoor event with prolonged sitting and was male. Should be interesting to see how this all pans out, I wouldnt expect anyone in the southern portion of the us, especially big cities in florida to go to work if they haven't already.
 

Roger_Roger

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They got the first batch of trainees recalled on Monday for refresher training and sims before it shut down yesterday... But they've been in the building, so once they're back, they're back.
Thats what inwas wondering because it seems like the flight surgeon can determine to send all trainees home even if they are already there if they go orange or red
 

JTL2ATC

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On my facility NATCA call:
Q: “What if we’re still in this position 6 months from now and never go yellow or green? Will gating criteria change to get people back?”
A: “If we’re still in this position 6 months from now, we have bigger problems. That said, the situation is fluid and nothing is set in stone. There’s no saying what is going to happen going forward.”

We’re about to go red with no sign of going yellow any time soon either. It sure feels like neither the FAA, nor NATCA, is thinking more than 2 weeks into the future on any of this stuff. If they’re going to rush everyone into the facility when we go yellow for 2 weeks, then lock everyone’s status in for being able to stay after going orange or red again, they might as well just bring everyone back now. Essentially, they’re admitting there isn’t a risk in having everyone back when it’s orange or red.
 

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On my facility NATCA call:
Q: “What if we’re still in this position 6 months from now and never go yellow or green? Will gating criteria change to get people back?”
A: “If we’re still in this position 6 months from now, we have bigger problems. That said, the situation is fluid and nothing is set in stone. There’s no saying what is going to happen going forward.”

We’re about to go red with no sign of going yellow any time soon either. It sure feels like neither the FAA, nor NATCA, is thinking more than 2 weeks into the future on any of this stuff. If they’re going to rush everyone into the facility when we go yellow for 2 weeks, then lock everyone’s status in for being able to stay after going orange or red again, they might as well just bring everyone back now. Essentially, they’re admitting there isn’t a risk in having everyone back when it’s orange or red.
They’re going to have to change the gating criteria. Getting below 9/100,000 is never going to happen with increased testing. Or maybe you can come back with the vaccine? Hopefully the FAA is locking down 16,000 doses. I suppose they can make it a requirement from the flight surgeon
 

SHI

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On my facility NATCA call:
Q: “What if we’re still in this position 6 months from now and never go yellow or green? Will gating criteria change to get people back?”
A: “If we’re still in this position 6 months from now, we have bigger problems. That said, the situation is fluid and nothing is set in stone. There’s no saying what is going to happen going forward.”

We’re about to go red with no sign of going yellow any time soon either. It sure feels like neither the FAA, nor NATCA, is thinking more than 2 weeks into the future on any of this stuff. If they’re going to rush everyone into the facility when we go yellow for 2 weeks, then lock everyone’s status in for being able to stay after going orange or red again, they might as well just bring everyone back now. Essentially, they’re admitting there isn’t a risk in having everyone back when it’s orange or red.
We have literally more covid cases than ever before and the academy is still open... there is no plan in place lol.
 

SHI

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Academy isn’t covered by natca. Just saying. My Z has like 10 academy grads that have never been here now
It wasn't meant to mean that NATCA affects the academy, it's meant to say that no one has a plan in place for COVID (and even if there is it's not being followed)
 

SHI

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It seems like the Faa knows they need more controllers but they are getting fought hard on training by natca.
I'm an academy noobie but is there really that big of a difference on getting certified on lower traffic during COVID? Wouldn't you just adapt to it as traffic gets higher? It seems difficult to believe that your skill in controlling is locked in place as soon as you cert and you don't ever get any better. (unless it's massive like 90% reduction in traffic)
 

Mike Kilo

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I'm an academy noobie but is there really that big of a difference on getting certified on lower traffic during COVID? Wouldn't you just adapt to it as traffic gets higher? It seems difficult to believe that your skill in controlling is locked in place as soon as you cert and you don't ever get any better. (unless it's massive like 90% reduction in traffic)
This will work for some. But people have a ceiling and they are all at different heights. Once your in the job a while you will see people plateau at different levels of training. Just because you can work slow traffic where there are almost no conflicts doesn’t mean you can handle the pressure of high volume with complexity. It is stupid to certify anyone at less than 80% traffic unless they have worked at that facility before.
 

SHI

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This will work for some. But people have a ceiling and they are all at different heights. Once your in the job a while you will see people plateau at different levels of training. Just because you can work slow traffic where there are almost no conflicts doesn’t mean you can handle the pressure of high volume with complexity. It is stupid to certify anyone at less than 80% traffic unless they have worked at that facility before.
Makes sense, thanks!
 

BigEggplant

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This will work for some. But people have a ceiling and they are all at different heights. Once your in the job a while you will see people plateau at different levels of training. Just because you can work slow traffic where there are almost no conflicts doesn’t mean you can handle the pressure of high volume with complexity. It is stupid to certify anyone at less than 80% traffic unless they have worked at that facility before.
The only caveat being if your facility‘s 80% of 2019 traffic is the same number as 100% for 5 years plus. Traffic is never set in stone. Many facilities never got back to even 80% of pre- 9/11 numbers. Ever.
 

denver0739

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On my facility NATCA call:
Q: “What if we’re still in this position 6 months from now and never go yellow or green? Will gating criteria change to get people back?”
A: “If we’re still in this position 6 months from now, we have bigger problems. That said, the situation is fluid and nothing is set in stone. There’s no saying what is going to happen going forward.”

We’re about to go red with no sign of going yellow any time soon either. It sure feels like neither the FAA, nor NATCA, is thinking more than 2 weeks into the future on any of this stuff. If they’re going to rush everyone into the facility when we go yellow for 2 weeks, then lock everyone’s status in for being able to stay after going orange or red again, they might as well just bring everyone back now. Essentially, they’re admitting there isn’t a risk in having everyone back when it’s orange or red.

My Z just went red recently as well, but their plan is no more than two people per area per 2-3 weeks of yellow. So “when” we are yellow, two people per area go back, the rest stay at home for at least another two weeks to see if there are any changes then the next two, etc. Going orange or red would obviously bring it to a halt.
 

BlueBuffalo

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My Z is in the deep end of the red. A lot of controllers about to retire and no one training to replace them. I just hope when I do get back to training I don’t wash, would suck to wait all this time just to say you can’t cut it.
 
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