Training hold

[Mr.Tickles]

I had to a side for like 10 months.

Jeez, that sucks. At least that purgatory is over.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Until the six feet apart requirement relaxes training will not happen. You cannot train and be six feet apart, at least not effectively. I doubt trainees not used for staffing will be back to the facility in May. Hope you guys brought some materials home with you to study.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Until the six feet apart requirement relaxes training will not happen. You cannot train and be six feet apart, at least not effectively. I doubt trainees not used for staffing will be back to the facility in May. Hope you guys brought some materials home with you to study.

I brought stuff home, but the facility didn’t get me up to date stuff unfortunately. I have to pick and choose what to learn and ignore what’s changed, since I don’t have that info.

 

[32andBelow]

Until the six feet apart requirement relaxes training will not happen. You cannot train and be six feet apart, at least not effectively. I doubt trainees not used for staffing will be back to the facility in May. Hope you guys brought some materials home with you to study.

Cool thén see you in 18 months?

 

[Atl24Atc]

I think a lot of it is going come down to when traffic comes back to a level that warrants training. I don’t anticipate schedules coming back to normal or training to come back until then. What’s the point of having full staff and training when the traffic calls for a mid config all day and night? If the virus threat was close to gone that would be a different story. Can’t make money for nothing forever haha. But if we are still being told to social distance, stay 6ft apart, wear masks etc. Then why would they bring people back into the building to literally do nothing. I guess you could run sims in the back but even at that, only a small portion of the people out are at that point in training, let alone only so many can be in a class at once anyway simply do to available sims. It just doesn’t make any sense. But then again maybe thats why it makes sense lol.

 

[StealthChain]

Well at least they're talking about it somewhere. Not that means much though. Our facility has basically told us they don't know anything and are waiting to here. Our Union rep gives us weekly updates as to where everything is at usually around the time they're switching crews. Just hasn't been much info as far as training and developmentals go. At a local level our Union reps are pretty active at keeping us in the loop. Sounds like that's not the norm unfortunately.

I'll honestly be surprised if we go back the 15th. They haven't even mentioned transitioning off this schedule which they've gotta do first. Not sure about labs though for us. I just finished rside labs not even a week before we got kicked out. Not to mention getting recertified on everything else as well. That'll be fun.

My FacRep has sent weekly emails. Not much relating to training, but at least I get to stay in the loop of what has been going on. Heard it could be mid June possibly, but that was very a week ago so who knows what has changed.

I don’t think they’ve have a problem making a bunch of a sides sit in a classroom for 5 months and “study”

This is my fear. Was due to be in d-side labs by now. Will be interesting to see how everything gets handled to get everyone back up to where they should have been.

 

[32andBelow]

I think a lot of it is going come down to when traffic comes back to a level that warrants training. I don’t anticipate schedules coming back to normal or training to come back until then. What’s the point of having full staff and training when the traffic calls for a mid config all day and night? If the virus threat was close to gone that would be a different story. Can’t make money for nothing forever haha. But if we are still being told to social distance, stay 6ft apart, wear masks etc. Then why would they bring people back into the building to literally do nothing. I guess you could run sims in the back but even at that, only a small portion of the people out are at that point in training, let alone only so many can be in a class at once anyway simply do to available sims. It just doesn’t make any sense. But then again maybe thats why it makes sense lol.

You can’t just throw us under the bus for years potentially due to the traffic situation. Our entire pay plan is based upon getting certifications. Natca wouldn’t be representing our side of you union that well if we can’t get our certifications.

 

[Atl24Atc]

You can’t just throw us under the bus for years potentially due to the traffic situation. Our entire pay plan is based upon getting certifications. Natca wouldn’t be representing our side of you union that well if we can’t get our certifications.

Im not saying that we should. I’m just saying I don’t quite see the point right now. Like I said in my post, if there was no virus threat then yes absolutely regardless of traffic let’s get it done. Albeit it would be very poor training but nonetheless. However, given the 6foot recommendation, the wearing masks in public, social distancing requirements in public places, etc. all still suggest there is still a threat present. So why would we bring a bunch of people back into the building to staff at levels so we can open sectors and train on a couple of airplanes a plug in, all while introducing more health risk? Just doesn’t make sense to me bringing people in the building at this point unless they can actually get semi productive training.

 

[BCHOOSIER]

Every state is different with guidelines for reopening but I think they will wait to see how the first few weeks go throughout the country before moving forward with bring everyone back. Initially, I thought they would bring everyone back quickly but then they announced after over a month into this to reduce 90 some facilities operating hours. If the plan was to bring people back on the 15th, I don't see them cutting almost a third of the NAS facilities to bring everyone back two weeks later. Most of the facilities I knew that got their hours cut were working 5 on 5 off and have since transitioned to the 5/10 schedules.

 

[32andBelow]

If anybody is unhappy with sitting at home on full pay while accruing leave then I fully support


So what would you like to do? Would you like to disregard social distancing, decombine sectors to form trainable configurations and then start training on the D side?

I think we can find a way to get dysim and labs open. If it’s not safe to do OJT after that then we can go back on admin.

Mainly I would just like to know what the guidelines to reopen and plan is. We aren’t on full pay we are on training pay with no idea when we can start working again. The biggest frustration has been the zero communication.

 

[CaptainObvious]

If anybody is unhappy with sitting at home on full pay while accruing leave then I fully support


So what would you like to do? Would you like to disregard social distancing, decombine sectors to form trainable configurations and then start training on the D side?

I bet if it was your money on the line you’d be chirping. It’s all good as long as it doesn’t affect you right?

 

[32andBelow]

How is training in the DYSIM any different than OJT from a social distancing stand point? Nobody knows when anything is going to open yet let alone training.

So they can check in and say that they don’t know yet. Or say what metrics they are looking for the bring us back. They have time to send 15 emails a week about natca conference 7 months from now.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

The health experts are saying social distancing is likely going to be the norm until there is a vaccine, which will be another 1-1.5 years. Then NATCA is saying that traffic will likely not recover to pre COVID-19 numbers for 1-2 years. Do you seriously think developmentals should sit in the study room or in the lab for up to 2 years? That’s ridiculous.

And I’m sure that every trainee is grateful to still be getting a paycheck while they’re at home. That doesn’t change the fact that training is already an extremely long process, and our pay scale increases are dependent on training. It might be easy to look the other way as a CPC or even someone with a few raises under the belt already, but in many locations, AG pay is tough to live off, particularly if you have a family. Telling people they’re going to be stuck where they are for potentially up to 2 years until everything is “back to normal” is not going to work.

 

[Atl24Atc]

I get people want their money. I get people want to train to get those certs. And I get it sucks being stuck in limbo. I think either
- We progress to a point from a public health standpoint to where we are no longer being told by health officials to wear masks in public, no large groups, maintain 6 feet, etc.
- Or traffic picks up to a point that makes it reasonable to introduce some risk and bring people into the building to open sectors, which ultimately then makes it reasonable to start OJT.

Aside from some people having to wait to get raises, where is it sensible to bring people back until 1 of those two things happen? Until then you’d just be introducing increased health risk and gaining nothing in the form of training. Granted all facilities are different but at my facility, normal staffing plus trainees we would have 11-12 cpcs (scheduled lol) and 2-4 trainees in the area right now on any given day to work traffic that is currently being worked by 4-5 people. So given the current state of public health, and how much it sucks for those stuck in training limbo, I just can’t fathom how bringing people into the building right now would make any sense.

 

[Super Salt]

spider about as big a curmudgeon as I am!

 

[Atl24Atc]

The health experts are saying social distancing is likely going to be the norm until there is a vaccine, which will be another 1-1.5 years. Then NATCA is saying that traffic will likely not recover to pre COVID-19 numbers for 1-2 years. Do you seriously think developmentals should sit in the study room or in the lab for up to 2 years? That’s ridiculous.

And I’m sure that every trainee is grateful to still be getting a paycheck while they’re at home. That doesn’t change the fact that training is already an extremely long process, and our pay scale increases are dependent on training. It might be easy to look the other way as a CPC or even someone with a few raises under the belt already, but in many locations, AG pay is tough to live off, particularly if you have a family. Telling people they’re going to be stuck where they are for potentially up to 2 years until everything is “back to normal” is not going to work.

I never said normal levels or pre virus levels. I simply said until it was reasonable. Do you really think it’s reasonable given the health issues, to bring in staffing and trainees to talk to a couple planes an hour? You really want an r side certified and sitting there by themselves all checked out because they trained all summer, racked up more hours than transmissions, and were forced to get a check ride cause they were at their max hours? Then all of a sudden traffic starts coming back and they get that first red sector and go down the shittter. That makes absolutely zero sense.

We will absolutely be back to normal schedules before the airlines even get close to normal ops. But right now the traffic barely warrants having 4 people in my area when we normally have 12-15. And honestly, if they could configure the whole area onto 1 scope instead of 2, I doubt we’d ever have a busy push to have a red sector. We could literally run the center safely with 2-3 people per area per shift max right now.

So until the health risk is gone or I can at least go in public without having wear a mask, stand on x’s that are 6feet apart outside of stores because they’re only letting so many people inside at once, or until traffic starts to come back to a reasonable level where we can get at least some halfway meaningful training, why would they bring people back and introduce unnecessary risk? So some people can get not paid, but get raises?

 

[32andBelow]

I never said normal levels or pre virus levels. I simply said until it was reasonable. Do you really think it’s reasonable given the health issues, to bring in staffing and trainees to talk to a couple planes an hour? You really want an r side certified and sitting there by themselves all checked out because they trained all summer, racked up more hours than transmissions, and were forced to get a check ride cause they were at their max hours? Then all of a sudden traffic starts coming back and they get that first red sector and go down the shittter. That makes absolutely zero sense.

We will absolutely be back to normal schedules before the airlines even get close to normal ops. But right now the traffic barely warrants having 4 people in my area when we normally have 12-15. And honestly, if they could configure the whole area onto 1 scope instead of 2, I doubt we’d ever have a busy push to have a red sector. We could literally run the center safely with 2-3 people per area per shift max right now.

So until the health risk is gone or I can at least go in public without having wear a mask, stand on x’s that are 6feet apart outside of stores because they’re only letting so many people inside at once, or until traffic starts to come back to a reasonable level where we can get at least some halfway meaningful training, why would they bring people back and introduce unnecessary risk? So some people can get not paid, but get raises?

Would you take a 20-80k paycut to sit at home?

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Well I’ve already had the virus so I’m immuned, throw me on someone’s D side! 😀

 

[32andBelow]

Well I’ve already had the virus so I’m immuned, throw me on someone’s D side! 😀

You are one of the elite.

 

[JackTBP]

Would you take a 20-80k paycut to sit at home?

Yes, I would.