Slate Book, Appendix B. D3 Pay

[jay_b311]

My facility is a level 6 up-down. Typically our trainees make one jump from D2, to CPC. Would our controllers rate D3 at any point during the training time given the following info…

Our position breakdown per our SOP is as follow:

Tower
1 Tower FD
2 Ground
3 Local
** Tower flight data is issued first, followed by Ground/Local which we train combined.

Radar
4 Radar FD
5 Handoff
6 Approach Sector 1
7 Approach Sector 2
**All 4 positions are trained combined in radar, and certifications are issued combined.

**Target training hours are combined for positions trained combined for each branch (tower/radar). Radar is one lump sum.

Questions:

Does “FD” in the chart in Appendix B mean BOTH flight data tower and flight data radar, or one or the other?

If FD means only Tower FD, do we rate D3 after completing TFD plus Ground, Local, Radar FD, and Handoff. The later 4 being 4/6 or 66% of “all other positions

This is brought up time and time again in our facility, the common answer is always “we’ve tried it before and it doesn’t work”. But, at this point no one even knows the last time it was brought into question or by whom, because they’ve been gone for so long, and we have not had proper management or union representation in a long time.

As a level 6 up down we have a D3 pay scale but it is entirely not utilized. Our training time is 1.5 years roughly to CPC, leaving large gaps in raises compared to something like a tower only where you can be “CPC” after training for a fraction of the time.

With potential “seasoning” time, followed by long waits for RTF classes, and 4 positions worth of training hours. Could D3 could fill the long gap from tower certification (D2) and CPC in our case?

 

[Soul_Controller]

FD only means tower FD. My original facility had the same problem, so we got rid of radar data, which allowed D3 before going to RTF.

In all reality though, you shouldn't have positions that you don't work. Get rid of them. No 6 up/down needs 5 radar positions.

 

[jfol]

FD only means tower FD. My original facility had the same problem, so we got rid of radar data, which allowed D3 before going to RTF.

In all reality though, you shouldn't have positions that you don't work. Get rid of them. No 6 up/down needs 5 radar positions.

Do you remember the process or name of the process used to get rid of positions?

 

[Soul_Controller]

Do you remember the process or name of the process used to get rid of positions?

An SOP rewrite. And then a change in cru-art.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Do you remember the process or name of the process used to get rid of positions?

They will never let you do it. Fac Rep and ATM will crush it to try to keep the facilities’s staffing number artificially inflated. Then make you the enemy.

 

[jfol]

An SOP rewrite. And then a change in cru-art.

Wow that simple? It would take an act of God for our ATM to even acknowledge we have a SOP that has had outstanding issues for many years.

They will never let you do it. Fac Rep and ATM will crush it to try to keep the facilities’s staffing number artificially inflated. Then make you the enemy.

Lol. I’ve been told “it will never happen” but it’s due to lack of trying and effort not because it’s impossible. We have 2-3 positions combined 99% of the year. We don’t need to count that as a body because we don’t open them. Our SOP hasn’t been looked at in years and we were told by an ECV that it is among the worst written and poorly constructed SOPs they’ve ever seen.