Seniority is based off your service comp date. When I first got here they were doing the whole first to show has the better seniority date. Now NATCA National sent something down (not sure how long ago) saying that seniority lists have to be redone using service comp dates.
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Seniority is based off your service comp date. When I first got here they were doing the whole first to show has the better seniority date. Now NATCA National sent something down (not sure how long ago) saying that seniority lists have to be redone using service comp dates.
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How positive are you about that... I'm pretty sure its still cumulative bargaining unit time because none of that stuff passed at the convention.
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There are two individual seniority dates that are important.
Service Comp Date - The day you start at the academy. It factors into your retirement, FERS, probationary period, etc.
Cumulative Bargaining Unit Time - The day you enter the bargaining unit at your first facility. This date is used for bidding yearly schedules, leave, etc.
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I just read the whole thing again... Basically your SF-50 for bargaining unit time is the day you are assigned to start at facility. So no matter how much leave or travel days you have, that will start your bargaining unit time as long as you have never been in a position covered by natca before. Service comp date is like the third tie breaker, which mine is waaaay different from academy date or EOD at my first faa facility because of military time.
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That has nothing to do with service comp date. Basically your sf50 will show the day you are officially on the books at a facility from the academy. Thats your natca date regardless of how early or late you actually showed up. Service comp date is all federal service combined.
Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
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Yeah! No probs. Hope it doesnt ruffle tons of feathers at your facility when they look at everyone's sf50.
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I think travel days may effect your cumulative BU time.
Edit: Travel days are paid. Thanks MJ.
Ex. I graduated the academy on a Thursday, one travel day was Friday, took the 64 hours starting Monday. My seniority date is Monday.
Granted I have no idea if you can refuse travel days or what.
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Thanks, looking back and to give more detail on my personal example above...
Thursday - Graduated academy
Friday - Travel day - paid at the academy hourly rate of 9.74.
Monday - Official start day at new facility - began taking change of station leave paid out at the academy graduate rate.
Cumulative BU time seniority date is Monday.
Long story short, it looks like you're still employed at the academy for travel dates so you technically haven't started at your facility yet.
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I think this restructuring will only even up 2 people. Both were classmates and 1 arrived 3 days prior to the other.
Actually your first day at your new facility is Sunday. Sunday is the beginning of the pay period.
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I was semi-curious about that, had the same thought. If it ever effects me down the road I might look into it.
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Apologies for bringing up a semi-old thread.
Where can I look for specific guidance or wording to solve a dispute I have with my own seniority?
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What's the dispute over and I can point you in the right direction.
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Per the Slate book, the union determines seniority. Per the NATCA constitution...
Article XV - Seniority
Section 1. The following shall be used to determine seniority for the National Air Traffic Controllers Association:
a) Cumulative NATCA Bargaining Unit Time;
b) First Tie Breaker: NATCA Bargaining Unit Time;
c) Second Tie Breaker: EOD/FAA;
d) Third Tie Breaker: SCD;
e) Fourth Tie Breaker: Lottery. The lottery shall be determined at the local level.
For the purpose of facility release policies, seniority will be determined by facility time only as a bargaining unit member at that present facility.
NATCA Bargaining Unit Time is defined as the total time in a given bargaining unit represented by NATCA and as defined by the petition for representation of that unit. Cumulative NATCA Bargaining Unit Time is derived by totaling all time together spent in each of the NATCA bargaining units. Section 2. Re-employed annuitant NATCA bargaining unit employees shall have their initial seniority dates adjusted to reflect the date they rehire into any FAA NATCA bargaining unit. Section 3. Any bargaining unit member who accepted a supervisor/management position after September 12, 2008 and returns to the bargaining unit will have his/her cumulative seniority date set to the day they return.
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Even within that you have a number of grey areas. Cumulative bargaining unit time typically starts after you pass the academy and report to your facility. (It doesn't matter if you take change of station leave).
Also, different regions calculate it differently and there's nothing you can do about it.
Ex. The southern region processes you on the Monday of your first pay period (your first shift), the southwest region processes you on the Sunday of your first pay period (the first day of the pay period)
For those who started at a TRACON when RTF was pass/pass, their BUE time started when they started the academy because there was no fear of them washing from the academy.
If you were a NATCA union member at a contract tower, that time carries over as well.
There's a number of different variables like that. Hit me up with your situation if you don't feel any of this answered your question.
Also, you can find your facilities seniority information via Unionware, which you can access through the member portal on the NATCA site.
Also, different regions calculate it differently and there's nothing you can do about it.
Ex. The southern region processes you on the Monday of your first pay period (your first shift), the southwest region processes you on the Sunday of your first pay period (the first day of the pay period)
For those who started at a TRACON when RTF was pass/pass, their BUE time started when they started the academy because there was no fear of them washing from the academy.
If you were a NATCA union member at a contract tower, that time carries over as well.
There's a number of different variables like that. Hit me up with your situation if you don't feel any of this answered your question.
Also, you can find your facilities seniority information via Unionware, which you can access through the member portal on the NATCA site.
