Terminal Placement list 10/26/2022
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Page 48 of 3rd quarter thread, halfway down page if this link below doesn't work for you
https://pointsixtyfive.com/attachments/nceptjune142017selectionslist-1-pdf.758/
sailor_pianist
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Lol I'm trying to get to ZTL too.
A question on the facility level, specifically level 8. I've seen in the past couple of updates there have been a couple but not many AG's going to level 8 facilities. The predominant result is 7 and below. With that being said would it be fair to say that on rare occasion or exception (critical shortage) that AG's may get an 8 but not to expect it?
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Extremely rare exception. Witchita, Kansas was sub 50 percent staffing when a few academy grads snuck in a year ago. If you see one reserved for an academy grad but is weeks/months away like ABQ, it is because their spouse works at the facility and the spot is reserved for them and them alone.
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Did anyone else notice that there are multiple level 12 facilities that say they are reserved for NEST people? How is that possible? Especially to such highly sought after facilities like DEN.
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People from those high level facilities transfer somewhere, and then either don't make it or voluntarily withdraw from training. One of their options if there is room is to return to a previous facility you were certified at.
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OKC was offered to a coworkers class
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I suppose that makes sense. Thank you!
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64 hours (8 days) of relocation leave for the 2 years. Each facility has an allotted travel time from academy in the back of the slate book. Earlier you show up, better seniority date...
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What rugbydog said and the FAA pays your travel expenses leaving the academy (same as when you came in, the lesser of mileage or airfare), but they do not pay any moving expenses to get to your first facility.
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Was there a mass exodus at TYS?? When sorting lvl 7 and below, 6 out of the first 45 slots are for TYS.
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This past month is the first time they're using each facilities actual training success rate (from 2010-2014). For TYS, this caused their training success rate to drop to 37.5%, one if the worst in the country. With a training success rate that poor, more trainees are needed, which is the reason for so many slots near the top.
@NEatc933 could give you insight on whether that success rate is realistic or just a shitty stretch of terrible trainees.
I wish. Once they redid our training success numbers,we went from not being eligible to pick anyone up to what you see now.
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Just saw @breakaway2000 's post. From everything we've been told since arriving here it was a shit stretch of trainees prior to us. I was off the first OTS bid in 2014. When I arrived there were 8 in training and 3-4 more washouts prior to our arrival. Out of the 8, 4 of them were certified within my 1st year. Out of the four that washed all were in radar and I was told: (and remember this is what i was told. I met all of these guys but being a brand new trainee, I wasn't really comprehending what i was watching. I was more worried about training in the tower than watching these guys in radar)
1 absolutely could have made it, had the skill but was lazy and kind of clashed with an FLM. He however is having the last laugh now that he was just picked up for ZTL.
1 would have some good sessions and then one bad session would put him in some funk for about 1-2 weeks.
1 was just too smart and overthought a lot of things in the radar environment
1 could have made it, but on a skill check he became overwhelmed and unplugged him self. To be fair, it was said that he kept asking to split the operation into 2 scopes but his FLM wanted to see what he had. It was said that him unplugging himself was the kill shot.
Since arriving here there have been 20 trainees. 3 of us certified this year, 3 have washed out and a girl that showed up with me quit 2 weeks in.
The training here is what you make of it. There are definitely shitty trainers and the classroom portion isn't stellar but if you study and know your rules then you'll be good to go. Another common complaint is that there is 1 FLM in particular (same on that guy 1 clashed with) that will hold mistakes against you. All that being said, I think we have a pretty solid group of trainees for the most part and hopefully within the next 2 years we will be well staffed and able to release people.
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Does anyone have any insight as to why San Juan is consistently seeking academy graduates? It seems as though that facility is struggling to fill their slots. Does that facility have a high failure rate for trainees? Is it a challenging facility to work at? Is San Juan just not a desirable city to live in?
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Most people not from Puerto Rico seem to enjoy it for a small amount of time then want to go somewhere stateside. Ive heard it is not good for families with children because of the schooling and healthcare options. I have a buddy who loves it at the CERAP but hes 20 something and single.
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The San juans you see on the list are people requesting to go there. Look at the class number on the right.
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It isn't so much that they're 'consistently' looking for academy graduates, they consistently show up near the top because those spots are already reserved for certain people and are reserved prior to them starting the academy. The FAA does do a decent job if you're not from the continental USA, allowing you to go back home if you request it, whether that's St. Thomas, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, etc.
