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To be fair, looking into it, there are a lot of *potentially related* issues out there. Reading up, such things can include heart palpitations, migranes, brain fog (also a symptom of covid itself), and other. The issues and numbers all still pale in comparison to Covid. Even if we were to take VAERS at face value and say... despite the disclaimer that correlation is not causation... that 6207 people died of the vaccine in the first 8 months of it being available. Thats < ~1/35th of the amount of deaths in the same timeframe after Covid began to spread.

No matter how you look at it, the rational conclusion is that taking the vaccine is far safer than to not. And if you're "not ScURreD" of Covid, you should be even less scared of the vaccine.
 
I didn’t get the vaccination, but I could’ve sworn it was presented here as:
- You got excused absence for 10 days or 14 days after the shot (Can’t remember which one though trainees and high risk were supposed to come back after 14 days of second dose irregardless of gating color)

Then it changed to…
- You were medically unfit for only 48 hours after each dosage

Then it changed to…
- Get it on your Friday, after work, or you used your own sick leave and don’t get it on an overtime week because we need you to work

Then it changed to…
- We are too short to approve any excused absence so you have to use your own sick leave to become vaccinated

I found this in a May 2021 RVP email concerning trainees and high risk employees returning to work. The above timeline is what I thought was true, but maybe I’m wrong. Oh well, doesn’t bother me one way or the other, I just thought the RFS, at least at one time, needed to know because you were medically unfit for work due to the vaccination at least for a period of time. Wouldn’t be the first or the last time I’ve been wrong about something. ?‍♂️
Should not must.
Words matter.
And in that timeline it would have been very easy to get the vaccine without impacting work.
 
Why do people keep posting this fake news about it not being properly tested. Please tell us which tests were skipped
At what stage of approval were the vaccines released? Pfizer was the further along when it received emergency use authorization and they had just received phase 2 approval and were moving to phase 3 when they started vaccinations. J&J submitted their approval request in phase 2 and they reported it was only 66% effective. Doesn’t sound like it was properly tested and approved… Sounds like a bunch of throw crap and the wall and see what sticks.
 
Kinda like I'm pro choice, but also would prefer the choice be to keep the unborn baby.
That's just called.... being pro-choice. Full stop. Your preferences don't come in to it, the question is, should abortions be prohibited or not prohibited? Should vaccines be mandated or not mandated?

For real, why do you and the liberal mafia care so much about the vaccination status of anyone else? Or whether they are wearing masks? You are vaccinated so you have nothing to worry about right? But vaccinated people can still get and transmit the virus so shouldn't they be the ones wearing masks to protect their unvaccinated coworkers? After all, the unvaccinated are the ones at higher risk for serious complications and hospitalization. This is a serious question. What is the logic?
Speaking for myself, I care because the risk of "breakthrough" infections in vaccinated people is low but non-zero. There are people in my extended family with immune diseases who aren't getting the full benefit from the vaccine and I don't want to pass the virus on to them. I don't want to get the Delta variant and live with reduced lung capacity for the rest of my life. And I don't want unvaccinated people running around incubating new variants that my vaccine is not effective against, bringing us all the way back to square fucking one of this whole situation.

Would you stop dancing around it and just answer my question? How does your coworker not being vaxxed and not wearing a mask affect you? Why tf do you care?
See above.

You told the RFS?
There was absolutely no guidance on reporting to the rfs and no requirement to do so.
Management initially told us to call the RFS and report getting it. That changed after a few weeks, but we definitely had that guidance from our ATM.
 
At what stage of approval were the vaccines released? Pfizer was the further along when it received emergency use authorization and they had just received phase 2 approval and were moving to phase 3 when they started vaccinations. J&J submitted their approval request in phase 2 and they reported it was only 66% effective. Doesn’t sound like it was properly tested and approved… Sounds like a bunch of throw crap and the wall and see what sticks.
So you can’t say. All safety tests were completed. Stage 2 and 3 were done concurrently. The only difference with emergency use authorization is that all long term EFFICACY tests aren’t complete. So there is a chance the vaccine won’t work as long as they hoped.

but all normal safety tests are done in stage 1 and they were all completed as usual. The vaccine have been administered over a billion times worldwide. They are safe and they work. You are fake news
 
That's just called.... being pro-choice. Full stop. Your preferences don't come in to it, the question is, should abortions be prohibited or not prohibited? Should vaccines be mandated or not mandated?


Speaking for myself, I care because the risk of "breakthrough" infections in vaccinated people is low but non-zero. There are people in my extended family with immune diseases who aren't getting the full benefit from the vaccine and I don't want to pass the virus on to them. I don't want to get the Delta variant and live with reduced lung capacity for the rest of my life. And I don't want unvaccinated people running around incubating new variants that my vaccine is not effective against, bringing us all the way back to square fucking one of this whole situation.


See above.


Management initially told us to call the RFS and report getting it. That changed after a few weeks, but we definitely had that guidance from our ATM.
Maybe at your facility. We received no such guidance.
 
People complained about masks and oxygen yet there’s olympians wearing them in competition. I’m sure the top athletes on the planet need that O2 more than you
 
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Pretty simple diagram showing why we should vaccinate as much as possible. The longer the cycle goes the more people get covid and the more death and long term issues.
 
So you can’t say. All safety tests were completed. Stage 2 and 3 were done concurrently. The only difference with emergency use authorization is that all long term EFFICACY tests aren’t complete. So there is a chance the vaccine won’t work as long as they hoped.

but all normal safety tests are done in stage 1 and they were all completed as usual. The vaccine have been administered over a billion times worldwide. They are safe and they work. You are fake news
If you’re basing these emergency use authorizations and their based on Stage 1 and 2 passing on whether things are safe or not, why not have the FDA approve all Stage 1, 2, and 3 experimental vaccines and/or drugs? Hell, I’d be retired now off just Mustang BIO, Bluebird BIO, et cetera getting approval now! Governments are pushing the vaccines for financial purposes. They bought hundreds of millions to billions of them to settle people’s FEAR.

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Pretty simple diagram showing why we should vaccinate as much as possible. The longer the cycle goes the more people get covid and the more death and long term issues.
… or Covid-19 continues to mutate to a less deadly strain to ensure its own survival…
 
… or Covid-19 continues to mutate to a less deadly strain to ensure its own survival…
Even if we had evidence that this was happening. We have vaccines that are safe and effective at stopping severe infection and death. The longer we half ass it the more chances it gets to mutate and become more effective at infecting humans.

So far there isn’t any evidence to suggest that the virus is becoming less deadly but there is plenty of evidence showing that it’s becoming more effective at infecting human cells which makes it more transmissible. More transmission indirectly leads to more death since people who wouldn’t have been infected with less contagious variants are now getting infected. More infections mean more death even with a constant case fatality rate.
 
Im reading on a fed employee forum that mask are now going to be required again in federal buildings for all employees. News to follow. Anyone hear this?
 
Im reading on a fed employee forum that mask are now going to be required again in federal buildings for all employees. News to follow. Anyone hear this?
I saw a tweet about this from a reporter that works in DC that said something about this. I can’t find it or anything confirming it online though. Guessing we will find out tomorrow when Biden announces the vaccine mandate.
 
You're really obsessed with the 'gubnent, ain't ya?
You could join the group of people basing their decisions on logic, reason, science and math, or you can continue to live in the land where creepy Joe and his evil democrat minions are out to get ya. ?
The government's response has been shady from day 1. The narrative keeps changing. Open your eyes man. I'm not really a conspiracy theorist but it's true man. Look at some of the phrases that have been pushed by the world economic forum. They are pushing for the 'great reset.' It started out as 15 days to slow the spread and here we are 18 months later with "effective" vaccine in hand and places are locking down again and mandating masks indoors. Cases were on the decline and trending the right direction and then coincidentally as vaccinate rates stalled, "dangerous" new variants popped up and it is all because of the unvaccinated. They are the enemy. Now we must ban them from schools, work, and grocery stores for their non compliance. Look at guys like Deblasio saying 'we tried to play nice and now the time for voluntary vaccines are over and it's time for mandates.' What if I don't want to get vaxxed? Next, they're going to want to round the unvaxxed up and send them to isolated internment camps where they are only a danger to themselves. You think the Holocaust started with sending people straight to the gas chambers? No, they slowly turn people against one another with propaganda and fear mongering. They already wanted to have you call the police and snitch on your neighbor for having too large of a Thanksgiving dinner at your house. It's a slippery slope.

All I'm saying is this is all for a virus that is so dangerous that you need to get tested to know you have it and a vaccine that is so safe and effective that you have to be incentivized, threatened, and now mandated to take it. We are not free people. Either the vaccine works and those who want to take it can do so voluntarily or it doesn't work and you've all been conned. Same thing with the masks I was trying to get at. The vaccinated can still transmit the virus so why are they running around with no masks and putting all the unvaxxed, unprotected at risk? If you look at things through a clear lense, you'll see that there a lot of gaps in government logic and a lot of what they say is just political jargon based on advancing their agenda and not based in science or reason.
 
The government's response has been shady from day 1. The narrative keeps changing. Open your eyes man. I'm not really a conspiracy theorist but it's true man. Look at some of the phrases that have been pushed by the world economic forum. They are pushing for the 'great reset.' It started out as 15 days to slow the spread and here we are 18 months later with "effective" vaccine in hand and places are locking down again and mandating masks indoors. Cases were on the decline and trending the right direction and then coincidentally as vaccinate rates stalled, "dangerous" new variants popped up and it is all because of the unvaccinated. They are the enemy. Now we must ban them from schools, work, and grocery stores for their non compliance. Look at guys like Deblasio saying 'we tried to play nice and now the time for voluntary vaccines are over and it's time for mandates.' What if I don't want to get vaxxed? Next, they're going to want to round the unvaxxed up and send them to isolated internment camps where they are only a danger to themselves. You think the Holocaust started with sending people straight to the gas chambers? No, they slowly turn people against one another with propaganda and fear mongering. They already wanted to have you call the police and snitch on your neighbor for having too large of a Thanksgiving dinner at your house. It's a slippery slope.

All I'm saying is this is all for a virus that is so dangerous that you need to get tested to know you have it and a vaccine that is so safe and effective that you have to be incentivized, threatened, and now mandated to take it. We are not free people. Either the vaccine works and those who want to take it can do so voluntarily or it doesn't work and you've all been conned. Same thing with the masks I was trying to get at. The vaccinated can still transmit the virus so why are they running around with no masks and putting all the unvaxxed, unprotected at risk? If you look at things through a clear lense, you'll see that there a lot of gaps in government logic and a lot of what they say is just political jargon based on advancing their agenda and not based in science or reason.
My IQ dropped forty points reading this cheers
 
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