Leaving NATCA outside January

BDUB said:
NCEPT is trash but let’s not forget the FAA literally questions what state you’d like to be in during hiring process. Once you pass academy you pick from facilities nowhere near those states. Then get stuck at LVL 4 or 5 for 8yrs and watch multiple academy grads and prior experience get the state you want. My opinion it starts drastically with the hiring process and placements and that’s what has made NCEPT so bad….
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Fixing the placement process would fix a lot of issues but no one wants to admit it
 
32andBelow said:
Fixing the placement process would fix a lot of issues but no one wants to admit it
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Many here have admitted it. But it also wouldn’t fix everything. Not everyone can have their dream location and I’d say 65% will still want to move at some point. I’ve worked with at least ten people who said they are going to retire at their facility only to put in paperwork and move on. And we’re government so if they did somehow manage to fix the placement they would break something else.

It’s been rehashed many a time. Many like myself would say anything to get hired. I will put down a state that has as many facilities as possible like California etc. When they did hiring like that many people probably missed out on jobs because Cali was hiring a ton and Montana wasn’t. They just sat and waited for the call to Montana and probably got no where unless HR offered them another state etc.
 
Mike Kilo said:
Many here have admitted it. But it also wouldn’t fix everything. Not everyone can have their dream location and I’d say 65% will still want to move at some point. I’ve worked with at least ten people who said they are going to retire at their facility only to put in paperwork and move on. And we’re government so if they did somehow manage to fix the placement they would break something else.

It’s been rehashed many a time. Many like myself would say anything to get hired. I will put down a state that has as many facilities as possible like California etc. When they did hiring like that many people probably missed out on jobs because Cali was hiring a ton and Montana wasn’t. They just sat and waited for the call to Montana and probably got no where unless HR offered them another state etc.
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I’ll admit terminal would be harder but for enroute you could probably get most people to their preferred center with some effort. But every guy that gets where they want is one less in the ncept.

Also not letting trainees that haven’t even started to swap makes no sense.
 
Robert_Boucher said:
How does ones ability to donate to the PAC tell us about their ability to control? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the goal of ncept to improve facility staffing not increase the NATCA PAC fund.
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How do you know the controlling ability of a non-BUE? You don't. Just like you don't with a PAC contributor. But I'd choose a PAC contributor over someone not in the union. Why reward someone or gain someone that doesn't help the union? You shouldn't. The union should not rank a single non-BUE over a BUE. Simple as that and a lot of places they dont. I know several people that have been selected to 12's due to having high seniority and proving they're NATCA loyals. You guys can live in this fantasy world that people shouldn't care about that but that's not how real life works.
 
Soham said:
How do you know the controlling ability of a non-BUE? You don't. Just like you don't with a PAC contributor. But I'd choose a PAC contributor over someone not in the union. Why reward someone or gain someone that doesn't help the union? You shouldn't. The union should not rank a single non-BUE over a BUE. Simple as that and a lot of places they dont. I know several people that have been selected to 12's due to having high seniority and proving they're NATCA loyals. You guys can live in this fantasy world that people shouldn't care about that but that's not how real life works.
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Non of that should matter for a government job. The faa should be picking they are the employer
 
32andBelow said:
Yah I think that’s dumb. NATCA didn’t help getting me hired to my first facility so why should they block someone going to their second or third.
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Because they can. Its called collaboration. I know youre anti-union after they made you sit at home getting paid while some of us actually worked traffic but they get to decide. What stops the FAA from just moving those that aren't in the union? Collaboration thankfully.
 
Soham said:
Because they can. Its called collaboration. I know youre anti-union after they made you sit at home getting paid while some of us actually worked traffic but they get to decide. What stops the FAA from just moving those that aren't in the union? Collaboration thankfully.
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I sat at home for like a month. Then I sat at the facility and worked with everyone else exposed with zero chance at progressing. So yah fuck them. They didn’t even send an email addressing it the entire time.
 
Soham said:
How do you know the controlling ability of a non-BUE? You don't. Just like you don't with a PAC contributor. But I'd choose a PAC contributor over someone not in the union. Why reward someone or gain someone that doesn't help the union? You shouldn't. The union should not rank a single non-BUE over a BUE. Simple as that and a lot of places they dont. I know several people that have been selected to 12's due to having high seniority and proving they're NATCA loyals. You guys can live in this fantasy world that people shouldn't care about that but that's not how real life works.
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The overall point is you can't really know if someone is a good controller so why are we adding another meaningless metric (PAC) to it.

NATCA is loyal to who they want to be loyal to. I have text proving that they will still try to railroad you even after you try and do you part and serve the union.
 
32andBelow said:
I sat at home for like a month. Then I sat at the facility and worked with everyone else exposed with zero chance at progressing. So yah fuck them. They didn’t even send an email addressing it the entire time.
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Bet you don’t quit the union!
 
Robert_Boucher said:
The overall point is you can't really know if someone is a good controller so why are we adding another meaningless metric (PAC) to it.

NATCA is loyal to who they want to be loyal to. I have text proving that they will still try to railroad you even after you try and do you part and serve the union.
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I think his point is that it's a roll of the dice either way, you might as well gamble on the pro union guy
 
Soham said:
How do you know the controlling ability of a non-BUE? You don't. Just like you don't with a PAC contributor. But I'd choose a PAC contributor over someone not in the union. Why reward someone or gain someone that doesn't help the union? You shouldn't. The union should not rank a single non-BUE over a BUE. Simple as that and a lot of places they dont. I know several people that have been selected to 12's due to having high seniority and proving they're NATCA loyals. You guys can live in this fantasy world that people shouldn't care about that but that's not how real life works.
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Natca Rep shouldn’t even be in on the ranking list what so ever. They aren’t our employer period. Also the fact that seniority has no official pull when applying for jobs regardless if it’s a competitive bid on USAJOBS or through the ERR process shows Natca doesn’t really give a shit about us and is on board for nepotism. They only care about their cronies and then more for the ones who donate more.
 
I don’t wanna live in a world where Natca doesn’t have a say in selections. Knowing my luck the FAA would pick up you fuckers and I have 18 years left to go……
 
Mike Kilo said:
I don’t wanna live in a world where Natca doesn’t have a say in selections. Knowing my luck the FAA would pick up you fuckers and I have 18 years left to go……
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Are you the same guy that dogs low seniority controllers for jumping to
Management because that’s the only way to actual move around and not deal with NCEPT bullshit for years. I’d rather have a FLM that can work traffic and been around the block taking some of these Sup spots, at least they have a backbone to confront their managers then a year CPC taking the position that puts their tail between their legs.
Natca doesn’t care that this is what we have to deal with in the operation, when they should. They aren’t interested in adjusting the seniority article still salty AF from a contract from 14 years ago.
That collaboration really creating a cultural change right!
 
Deuce said:
I think his point is that it's a roll of the dice either way, you might as well gamble on the pro union guy
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I really do understand that but selecting based of PAC contributions is an unfair advantage to those that are able to donate more than others can. For instance if someone donates money to the DRC or NCF instead of the PAC are they any less pro union than any other member?

I will concede selecting a member over non member. My issue is NATCA adding another layer by telling reps to consider PAC contributors over other members.
 
ncssailor said:
Are you the same guy that dogs low seniority controllers for jumping to
Management because that’s the only way to actual move around and not deal with NCEPT bullshit for years. I’d rather have a FLM that can work traffic and been around the block taking some of these Sup spots, at least they have a backbone to confront their managers then a year CPC taking the position that puts their tail between their legs.
Natca doesn’t care that this is what we have to deal with in the operation, when they should. They aren’t interested in adjusting the seniority article still salty AF from a contract from 14 years ago.
That collaboration really creating a cultural change right!
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I'm interested in these supes that can work traffic and stand up to managers. I've met maybe one that could work traffic but they all do what they're told when the ATM says so.
 

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