Hiring Bid Air Traffic Control Specialist - Trainee: FAA-ATO-17-ALLSRCE-53474

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Can you elaborate on this? What's the wait/timeline like? I get that I'm gonna likely be at a say level 6-7 tower and CPC in 12-18 months, what kind of wait time do I have on getting into DIA? Are their additional qualifications I'd have to obtain before being considered? Is the wait long because everyone else is vying for those spots too? I guess I'm confused how you go from a level 6 to a 10+
From what the controllers i know have told me they wait for a bid to open and apply then they usually will take the most qualified. However it does show some of the Towers having academy grads so check the terminal placement list and see if any high traffic towers are available.
 
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Can you elaborate on this? What's the wait/timeline like? I get that I'm gonna likely be at a say level 6-7 tower and CPC in 12-18 months, what kind of wait time do I have on getting into DIA? Are their additional qualifications I'd have to obtain before being considered? Is the wait long because everyone else is vying for those spots too? I guess I'm confused how you go from a level 6 to a 10+

From what the controllers i know have told me they wait for a bid to open and apply then they usually will take the most qualified. However it does show some of the Towers having academy grads so check the terminal placement list and see if any high traffic towers are available.
Disregard the above response. Bids are no longer the primary driver for movement in the agency. High level towers are not offered to terminal grads, only 7 or below with an occasional understaffed 8.

For both of you guys, check of the FAQ on the ERR (transfer) process here. ERR
You can find additional information here. NCEPT - Current Rules
If you have any additional transfer related questions after reading them, we'd be more then happy to help.
 
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I am the one who was originally given terminal and switched to enroute. I simply added a document to my email with the TOL requesting to switch with a couple reasons why. I’m pool 2 but I’m basically CTI I just need one other class for the degree. I just finished my enroute class and I’m very familiar with Aero Center, stripmarking, phraseology, and letters of agreement. I also added that when I made the request.
 
what kind of wait time do I have on getting into DIA?

Think of a line like... Walt Disney World without the Fast Pass waiting for a ride called "The Line for the Pope's Funeral on Black Friday"...

But really, it just depends... Timing is everything as far as having the best chance of getting into a high demand tower. YMMV.
 
I am the one who was originally given terminal and switched to enroute. I simply added a document to my email with the TOL requesting to switch with a couple reasons why. I’m pool 2 but I’m basically CTI I just need one other class for the degree. I just finished my enroute class and I’m very familiar with Aero Center, stripmarking, phraseology, and letters of agreement. I also added that when I made the request.

I'm an OTS candidate I'm still learning all there is to this career and the things that come with it I don't have that CTI background they may be looking for so idk if I'd have as much luck switching over too.

Again for now I'm fine with terminal and I know as a whole enroute makes more money unless you're at a larger airport like LAX, DIA, etc. Unless someone here really thinks I would be happier switching over to enroute if possible I'll just stick with terminal for now.

If I decided a few years down the road I want to try and transfer to an enroute facility, assuming it got approved/accepted, would I go through additional training at the facility or how would that work? Or once I'm a few years into terminal am I pretty much terminal for life? Sorry if that's too many questions just wanna make sure I make the best decision possible for what I'll be doing the next 30 years.
 
I'm an OTS candidate I'm still learning all there is to this career and the things that come with it I don't have that CTI background they may be looking for so idk if I'd have as much luck switching over too.

Again for now I'm fine with terminal and I know as a whole enroute makes more money unless you're at a larger airport like LAX, DIA, etc. Unless someone here really thinks I would be happier switching over to enroute if possible I'll just stick with terminal for now.

If I decided a few years down the road I want to try and transfer to an enroute facility, assuming it got approved/accepted, would I go through additional training at the facility or how would that work? Or once I'm a few years into terminal am I pretty much terminal for life? Sorry if that's too many questions just wanna make sure I make the best decision possible for what I'll be doing the next 30 years.

You and everybody else in the agency wants to get to DIA, good luck with that.

Focus on passing the academy before you worry about facilities down the road. The academy is no joke. There is a reason that only 50% of the people make it.
 
Yeah people (and very qualified people like ATL, DFW, CLT) will try their entire career to get to DIA and not get it. Those people def have the highest chance in addition to the atm/district/regional manager close circle, so basically if that’s your goal it’s fine but plan to start at the closest and lowest facility and pay dues, super play the game and be facrep for many terms. And be prepared to do alllllll the work your whole career to lay the groundwork to get there. It 1 trillion percent will not be given to newbs. Or even people with 10 years in without major major connections. Just how it is for some reason.
 
For all the new guys just getting in. FAA airport codes are important. If you want more details on the facility or contact info to set up a tour, our search bar is set up for the airport code. The airport code for DIA is DEN. If you look at any of the staffing documents under the resource tab (Priority Placement Tool, Terminal Placement List, Enroute Placement List, etc), everything is set up by the airport code. Some are easier then others like DEN above, others are more difficult like OIA (Orlando International Airport) = MCO
 
If I decided a few years down the road I want to try and transfer to an enroute facility, assuming it got approved/accepted, would I go through additional training at the facility or how would that work? Or once I'm a few years into terminal am I pretty much terminal for life? Sorry if that's too many questions just wanna make sure I make the best decision possible for what I'll be doing the next 30 years.
You will go through training again at each facility you transfer to. Keeping the same specialization lessens the training time at your new facility (terminal to terminal, enroute to enroute), but you do have the ability to change if you can get selected to a new facility via the NCEPT (transfer) process. You need to certify at each new facility. Also, you're eligible to retire at 50 and mandatory retirement when you turn 56, depending on your age you might never hit 30 years.
 
You will go through training again at each facility you transfer to. Keeping the same specialization lessens the training time at your new facility (terminal to terminal, enroute to enroute), but you do have the ability to change if you can get selected to a new facility via the NCEPT (transfer) process. You need to certify at each new facility. Also, you're eligible to retire at 50 and mandatory retirement when you turn 56, depending on your age you might never hit 30 years.

I turn 25 in March so if I rode it to the end I'd hit about 31 years (assuming I do OKC this year). But thanks I appreciate the response!
 
What makes Denver so desireable other than the fact that it’s denver and there is so much to do and see there?
 
Does anybody have a hint on when the next wave is supposed to hit? This bid has been slightly different seeing pool 1 and pool 2 TOLs coming out together. Congrats to all who received one!
 
What makes Denver so desireable other than the fact that it’s denver and there is so much to do and see there?
In the FAA, pay scales range from 4-12. Being a 12 in a highly desirable area like Denver will always draw a massive amount of people. Combine that with a relatively easy operation and high check out rate means that the majority of people who are lucky enough to get there have little desire to ever leave. You can view the Priority Placement Tool under the Resource tab to see the total numbers of controllers employed at a high level tower vs a center to understand that scarcity is also an issue with the high level desirable towers.
 
For all the new guys just getting in. FAA airport codes are important. If you want more details on the facility or contact info to set up a tour, our search bar is set up for the airport code. The airport code for DIA is DEN. If you look at any of the staffing documents under the resource tab (Priority Placement Tool, Terminal Placement List, Enroute Placement List, etc), everything is set up by the airport code. Some are easier then others like DEN above, others are more difficult like OIA (Orlando International Airport) = MCO
Thank you Lord... Pet peeve of mine is people who call DEN, DIA.
 
Do you have to memorize airport codes/facilities at the Academy?

I.E. Should I get a jumpstart and start practicing now?
 
Do you have to memorize airport codes/facilities at the Academy?

I.E. Should I get a jumpstart and start practicing now?
No. If you just got a TOL don't try to memorize anything at all. You are wasting your time. If you already care enough to try and memorize pointless shit a year from being at the academy I'm sure you will do fine once there.
 
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