August (Q4) 2023

[Move78]

Or they start allowing swaps between Zs, because it takes about 6 months to check out a center CPC-IT vs 3 years for an AG

Who you kiddin ya’ll’ll swap and then scam the shit out of it for 2 years.

 

[the inquirer]

More and more article 124 will be coming. I like it. Especially from all these centers and tracons. People already made their millions, paid off their houses, and go where they want to be.

 

[boots]

More and more article 124 will be coming. I like it. Especially from all these centers and tracons. People already made their millions, paid off their houses, and go where they want to be.

Meanwhile people stuck at low level up downs at shitty locations and never been able to release continue to get the shaft. Good system honestly.

 

[Dontbotherme]

More and more article 124 will be coming. I like it. Especially from all these centers and tracons. People already made their millions, paid off their houses, and go where they want to be.

I bet the union allows it to be negotiated out of the next contract and/or contract extension.

 

[Top5fatcat]

More and more article 124 will be coming. I like it. Especially from all these centers and tracons. People already made their millions, paid off their houses, and go where they want to be.

I’ll be 124ing to Denver 😜

 

[Ui1988]

Did anyone ever post the Managers rankings?

 

[Acquired Taste]

Did anyone ever post the Managers rankings?

Yes, it's earlier in this thread. You might have to scroll through a few pages before you find it.

 

[the inquirer]

I bet the union allows it to be negotiated out of the next contract and/or contract extension.

Right when a lot of the workforce is hitting their 15 year marks...... If this would happen, then you know the union does not have your back. But I doubt they will do away with it.

 

[PointSixty5stalker]

whats wrong with that? Z's get academy grads.

True but I would rather have an academy grad than a tower cpc just like a tower would rather have a academy grad than my dumbass that doesn’t even know what a king air looks like.

 

[sixty]

True but I would rather have an academy grad than a tower cpc just like a tower would rather have a academy grad than my dumbass that doesn’t even know what a king air looks like.

...n me a tower controller not knowing what a king air looks like.

 

[D-Dub]

True but I would rather have an academy grad than a tower cpc just like a tower would rather have a academy grad than my dumbass that doesn’t even know what a king air looks like.

It doesn't matter what it looks like, it matters what it sounds like. Also, it matters if it's super or not, so we know to wish them a super day.

 

[ChuckNovember]

I bet the union allows it to be negotiated out of the next contract and/or contract extension.

It would be fun to start a pool on whether or not Art124 stays in the next contract but who in their right mind would say bet that it will stay?

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Only 88 selections is depressing.

 

[twn]

Everything is working as designed. All of our "homers" are staying put

 

[ME]

Anyone know why 3 went from a cat 1 release to a cat 2 after selections were posted?

 

[abc1234]

It would be fun to start a pool on whether or not Art124 stays in the next contract but who in their right mind would say bet that it will stay?

ART124 Stays but it's amended to any level (because why the fuck does 10+ matter?) and 5 years as CPC

 

[FredSmoot]

ART124 Stays but it's amended to any level (because why the fuck does 10+ matter?) and 5 years as CPC

They tried to pass this (the any level part) at the last convention and it was voted against.

 

[Move78]

They tried to pass this (the any level part) at the last convention and it was voted against.

You can’t change the CBA at the convention. They were debating forcing the union to support removing ingrade/downgrade and then it was amended to also include supporting a change to any facility pay level. It was the most 50/50 resolution that was debated but ultimately failed.

ART124 Stays but it's amended to any level (because why the fuck does 10+ matter?) and 5 years as CPC

I believe it was originally intended to allow someone who spent a career working busy traffic to fade into retirement at a slower facility as they age. No one’s actually doing that though, there’s a lot of money at stake, they’re just using it to move laterally out of red 12s.

 

[twn]

I believe it was originally intended to allow someone who spent a career working busy traffic to fade into retirement at a slower facility as they age. No one’s actually doing that though, there’s a lot of money at stake, they’re just using it to move laterally out of red 12s.

I don't see a problem with doing 15 years at a Z and then being able to go wherever you want. It is the FAAs and NATCAs problem we can't transfer anywhere. However it was intended to be written, A124 is being used at Z's in order for people to get where they wanna go. 15 years is a long time to be stuck at one place. I wish they would amend the article to 10 years CPC anywhere, but NATCA hates us so it will probably be thrown out of the next contract

 

[ChuckNovember]

I don't see a problem with doing 15 years at a Z and then being able to go wherever you want. It is the FAAs and NATCAs problem we can't transfer anywhere. However it was intended to be written, A124 is being used at Z's in order for people to get where they wanna go. 15 years is a long time to be stuck at one place. I wish they would amend the article to 10 years CPC anywhere, but NATCA hates us so it will probably be thrown out of the next contract

15 years *as a CPC*. so more like seventeen and a half to eighteen years.

You can’t change the CBA at the convention. They were debating forcing the union to support removing ingrade/downgrade and then it was amended to also include supporting a change to any facility pay level. It was the most 50/50 resolution that was debated but ultimately failed.


I believe it was originally intended to allow someone who spent a career working busy traffic to fade into retirement at a slower facility as they age. No one’s actually doing that though, there’s a lot of money at stake, they’re just using it to move laterally out of red 12s.

So you're hoping we get rid of it?