Dreamland Approach (DML)

I’m assuming it was some sort of Air Force GS gig? What made you decide against it?
Yes, I was AF active duty and my resume was better than average I guess. So I was on their list, received an email explaining the job a bit. I declined because it required a 4 year extension and I was months from getting out and joining the FAA. In retrospect the experience would have been worth it I think.
 
In retrospect the experience would have been worth it I think.
The experience of possibly seeing aliens and/or the most secret aircraft the US is working on? In that sense yes, it could have been worth it.

But if you mean experience toward a better FAA first facility or a big promotion in the Air Force without also going to officer school then no, as fun as it might have been you probable would not have gotten much or anything out of it.
 
The experience of possibly seeing aliens and/or the most secret aircraft the US is working on? In that sense yes, it could have been worth it.

But if you mean experience toward a better FAA first facility or a big promotion in the Air Force without also going to officer school then no, as fun as it might have been you probable would not have gotten much or anything out of it.
No, absolutely not career-wise. But now that I'm looking at spending the next 20 years in the same facility doing the same thing, I wouldn't have been upset delaying my FAA career 4 years in order to experience something like that.

But at the time it was just get out of the AF as soon as possible to start my career and chase the money.
 
Yes, I was AF active duty and my resume was better than average I guess. So I was on their list, received an email explaining the job a bit. I declined because it required a 4 year extension and I was months from getting out and joining the FAA. In retrospect the experience would have been worth it I think.
I definitely get your hard decision getting out. I had the same thing but a good shot at being OSI (although they’re just a bunch of narcs so the FAA was the better decision.) In your case though, I think a crack at DML could’ve been worth it. Some would look at it as just working a bunch of Janet flights in/out. Others would’ve wondered what you would’ve seen on those scopes, briefings you would’ve gotten to sit in on or the different forms of conventional technology used in air traffic that’s been modified/re-configured for “special use.” That kinda stuff is super intriguing to me. Not that I think you made the wrong decision either way. But though demanding, I think some do miss the beauty of assignments like these.
 
I definitely get your hard decision getting out. I had the same thing but a good shot at being OSI (although they’re just a bunch of narcs so the FAA was the better decision.) In your case though, I think a crack at DML could’ve been worth it. Some would look at it as just working a bunch of Janet flights in/out. Others would’ve wondered what you would’ve seen on those scopes, briefings you would’ve gotten to sit in on or the different forms of conventional technology used in air traffic that’s been modified/re-configured for “special use.” That kinda stuff is super intriguing to me. Not that I think you made the wrong decision either way. But though demanding, I think some do miss the beauty of assignments like these.
Unless things changed a lot recently, you don’t see anything cool. Airfield goes uncontrolled and controllers leave the room during airspace usage. TS clearance doesn’t mean you get to see everything. This aspect changed the allure quite a bit
 
Was thinking about this the other day and found this to be the most appropriate place to discuss. Does anyone know exactly what happened to Gabriel Zeifman? Word on the street is he was a controller at JCF, took his Cessna 150 for a stroll through a few of the restricted areas within the Nellis Range via an approved transition with NATCF. While in R-4806 W he allegedly he skirted right up to the boundary of R-4048 N (Groom Lake Prohibited Area). Then posted neato images of the Groom Lake installation online and was later confronted about it by FAA security (among other officials) and “resigned” from the agency shortly after. I’ve heard broken details about this from a few friends that work out west but nothing super clear. Gabe’s YouTube channel shows him still flying down there in the range though when ops allow. Appreciate any info.
 
Was thinking about this the other day and found this to be the most appropriate place to discuss. Does anyone know exactly what happened to Gabriel Zeifman? Word on the street is he was a controller at JCF, took his Cessna 150 for a stroll through a few of the restricted areas within the Nellis Range via an approved transition with NATCF. While in R-4806 W he allegedly he skirted right up to the boundary of R-4048 N (Groom Lake Prohibited Area). Then posted neato images of the Groom Lake installation online and was later confronted about it by FAA security (among other officials) and “resigned” from the agency shortly after. I’ve heard broken details about this from a few friends that work out west but nothing super clear. Gabe’s YouTube channel shows him still flying down there in the range though when ops allow. Appreciate any info.
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Was thinking about this the other day and found this to be the most appropriate place to discuss. Does anyone know exactly what happened to Gabriel Zeifman? Word on the street is he was a controller at JCF, took his Cessna 150 for a stroll through a few of the restricted areas within the Nellis Range via an approved transition with NATCF. While in R-4806 W he allegedly he skirted right up to the boundary of R-4048 N (Groom Lake Prohibited Area). Then posted neato images of the Groom Lake installation online and was later confronted about it by FAA security (among other officials) and “resigned” from the agency shortly after. I’ve heard broken details about this from a few friends that work out west but nothing super clear. Gabe’s YouTube channel shows him still flying down there in the range though when ops allow. Appreciate any info.

I’m friends with him. He’s an airline pilot now flying 747’s. He wasn’t asked to resign, that was always the plan for the FAA to fund his flying hours
 
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