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CinderBlock said:
Oof that’s an en route pass rate. What happened there?
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Hard to say. I'd say a combination of factors. There seemed to be a glaring issue with a certain evaluator that graded significantly harsher than others. We were warned of this before evals by several instructors. Our Lead Instructor talked to us at the end of the day and expressed frustration with the whole final eval process, and the aforementioned evaluator. He even went as far as saying that we may be his last class because he has had enough of dealing with it (this instructor has been there for well over 10 years). It was honestly disheartening to see how defeated our Lead Instructor felt. As a new employee, I don't feel I need to be sharing my two cents, but there seems to be some deep-rooted systemic issues that I have seen or heard of in the past three days. Those of us that did pass wanted to feel happy for ourselves but it was a bittersweet day. We realize it's normal to lose a couple people in each class but this was a significant number of failures.
 
jalbert97 said:
Hard to say. I'd say a combination of factors. There seemed to be a glaring issue with a certain evaluator that graded significantly harsher than others. We were warned of this before evals by several instructors. Our Lead Instructor talked to us at the end of the day and expressed frustration with the whole final eval process, and the aforementioned evaluator. He even went as far as saying that we may be his last class because he has had enough of dealing with it (this instructor has been there for well over 10 years). It was honestly disheartening to see how defeated our Lead Instructor felt. As a new employee, I don't feel I need to be sharing my two cents, but there seems to be some deep-rooted systemic issues that I have seen or heard of in the past three days. Those of us that did pass wanted to feel happy for ourselves but it was a bittersweet day. We realize it's normal to lose a couple people in each class but this was a significant number of failures.
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That really sucks. Congrats for those of you that made it though.
 
MJ said:
would be interested to see consolidated numbers for online vs in person. seems to be a much higher failure rate with this format.
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How long did basics in person last? I remember hearing something like 6 work weeks but I’m not confident in that. I did basics online and it’s 17 work days so just barely over 3 weeks. Maybe that’d be a factor.
 
FlightOfTheShortGuy said:
How long did basics in person last? I remember hearing something like 6 work weeks but I’m not confident in that. I did basics online and it’s 17 work days so just barely over 3 weeks. Maybe that’d be a factor.
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It was about 4 weeks when I went 8 years ago. Maybe because you get per diem and are pulled from your home environment, you are able to focus more on the class.
 
jalbert97 said:
Hard to say. I'd say a combination of factors. There seemed to be a glaring issue with a certain evaluator that graded significantly harsher than others. We were warned of this before evals by several instructors. Our Lead Instructor talked to us at the end of the day and expressed frustration with the whole final eval process, and the aforementioned evaluator. He even went as far as saying that we may be his last class because he has had enough of dealing with it (this instructor has been there for well over 10 years). It was honestly disheartening to see how defeated our Lead Instructor felt. As a new employee, I don't feel I need to be sharing my two cents, but there seems to be some deep-rooted systemic issues that I have seen or heard of in the past three days. Those of us that did pass wanted to feel happy for ourselves but it was a bittersweet day. We realize it's normal to lose a couple people in each class but this was a significant number of failures.
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My class went 9/17 last year too. I know how you feel. Sucks seeing the room get emptier each day.
 
BrocolliRob said:
My tower class went 9/18 back in 2017. And all of the guys that failed would have been better trainees than we’ve been getting lately.
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My tower class went 6/18 back in November 2017 as well. All of those people would have made fine controllers. The academy needs some new folks in charge to change a LOT of stuff up. Basics should be in person as well and not online too IMO. I've never done well in online classes (or even an hour-long Zoom meeting for that matter). We need to set people up for success. Telling someone they can't be a controller because they messed up a callsign on their last run is ridiculous.
 
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AS88 said:
We need to set people up for success. Telling someone they can't be a controller because they messed up a callsign on their last run is ridiculous.
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I strongly agree. I still occasionally mess up call signs as a CPC but it's not the end of the world. You make SO many mistakes in training at your facility and are given numerous opportunities to get better. It's ridiculous that it's not like that at the academy. They need to reconstruct the entire grading rubric at the academy and I think people would do better if every single practice run was scored and your graded on how well you do the entire 2-3 months, not have 90% of everything rely on your last 3 days. Just my opinion though
 

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