Can you get out of hard to staff facilities on a sup bid?

[Phillytroll69]

If that person is selected, a deviation is requested through the service area. Then there's 3 levels of people to concur/non-concur with a release. Then the COO makes the ultimate approval/denial.
If it's denied, a TOL is never issued and the candidate is most likely never even told they were selected.

So, yes, career progression is definitely denied.

Ahh I guess things have changed a bit....so there really is no escape. Zny here I come

 

[UnableRadar]

If that person is selected, a deviation is requested through the service area. Then there's 3 levels of people to concur/non-concur with a release. Then the COO makes the ultimate approval/denial.
If it's denied, a TOL is never issued and the candidate is most likely never even told they were selected.

So, yes, career progression is definitely denied.

How much is NATCA involved in the concurrence process? If a BUE bids for a sup job you would assume NATCA would not be interested since that employee has to leave the union to take the sup bid?

 

[Mike Kilo]

How much is NATCA involved in the concurrence process? If a BUE bids for a sup job you would assume NATCA would not be interested since that employee has to leave the union to take the sup bid?

They would be interested in blocking it though.

 

[UnableRadar]

They would be interested in blocking it though.

True, so begs the question what is their involvement in the process if they have any at all. Obviously they would look to block but can they do so?

 

[mikefsfr]

True, so begs the question what is their involvement in the process if they have any at all. Obviously they would look to block but can they do so?

NATCA has zero involvement in people bidding OS jobs.

They could not block it if they tried. Totally different ballgame.

 

[ChuckNovember]

If that person is selected, a deviation is requested through the service area. Then there's 3 levels of people to concur/non-concur with a release. Then the COO makes the ultimate approval/denial.
If it's denied, a TOL is never issued and the candidate is most likely never even told they were selected.

So, yes, career progression is definitely denied.

Correct. This is why ATMs don’t tell anyone about the deviation spreadsheet. To avoid lawsuits.

 

[N90-EWR]

I don’t know how much things have changed since I retired 4 years ago, but in my entire career at N90 I can only recall a couple of instances where people were released for supe jobs elsewhere. Has it happened? Yes, but I certainly wouldn’t count on it. The agency can, and most certainly will try to block it if they can.

 

[SquawkHijack]

How much is NATCA involved in the concurrence process? If a BUE bids for a sup job you would assume NATCA would not be interested since that employee has to leave the union to take the sup bid?

NATCA isn’t involved and has no idea if BUEs bid OS jobs until they’re selected. And even then, that intel for the RVP usually comes from your facrep.

 

[Sassyquatch]

So RVPs have no involvement in preventing deviations of controller to supe bids?

 

[HurryUpandWait]

So RVPs have no involvement in preventing deviations of controller to supe bids?

Basically.

 

[Sassyquatch]

Basically.

Okay, just wanted to make sure. Our RVP has been bragging about fighting every deviation in our region and claims he's eliminated every one this last year. That's supposedly how he's "fighting" for better staffing.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Okay, just wanted to make sure. Our RVP has been bragging about fighting every deviation in our region and claims he's eliminated every one this last year. That's supposedly how he's "fighting" for better staffing.

Your RVP is full of shit, he has a hand in denying deviations for support specialists and CPC bids, but he doesn’t know a damn thing about OS deviations unless the applicant blabs to the wrong person.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Your RVP is full of shit, he has a hand in denying deviations for support specialists and CPC bids, but he doesn’t know a damn thing about OS deviations unless the applicant blabs to the wrong person.

So if someone blabs then he does?

 

[FullLengthFrank]

So RVPs have no involvement in preventing deviations of controller to supe bids?

The way it was explained to me was OS deviations were being prevented, due to FAA/ NATCA "collaboration" intended to prevent sups from being released prior to BUE's in an equitable manner. But it turned out to just stop everyone from taking a different route to change facilities.

 

[Bravo Delta]

Was in a meeting last year that the coo said deviations were going to get increasingly more rare. It has slowed down tremendously. Pre 2022 they were all rubber stamped.

 

[SquawkHijack]

So if someone blabs then he does?

Correct, best recommendation if going that route is to say nothing.

 

[ManBearPig]

Ive heard there have been TOLs rescinded after NATCA got involved at the RVP/DO level.

Deny all deviations.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Ive heard there have been TOLs rescinded after NATCA got involved at the RVP/DO level.

Deny all deviations.

Hey I'd like to be close to my family.
To make ncept worse we'd like to increase numbers via crwg

Ok can you help me with a hardship
That's for scammers

Ok guess I gotta do a sup bid
We are denying all deviations

Ok guess I gotta quit and get rehired
Here's a new mou requiring you be separated by least 52 weeks and limiting where you can be hired

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

The FAA only looks out for the FAA.

 

[ATC Zero]

The FAA only looks out for the FAA.

FAA
Fucked
Again &
Again