It's Over (Finally)

Oh I know it was sarcastic. We could approach them to negotiate at any time. Unfortunately, if we haven’t already it isn’t happening
So if they wouldn't be willing to open and renegotiate then why does everyone think they'd be willing to extend at this point?
 
can't wait to see how people try and defend the actions that take place over the next
So if they wouldn't be willing to open and renegotiate then why does everyone think they'd be willing to extend at this point?
Democrats do love the status quo
 
Reality would like to have a word to set your delusion straight. The convicted felon did in fact steal classified documents, keep them in his possession, and refused to return them when ordered to do so, all in violation of federal law. He did in fact obstruct the investigation into those stolen documents. None of this is in dispute. He did in fact engage in a violent coup attempt in the nation’s Capitol (all on video). He did in fact solicit the GA Secretary of State to fraudulently manufacture 11,780 votes for him out of thin air. That was recorded on audio by the GA SOS’s office & provided to the Fulton County District Attorney as evidence of the felon’s criminal activity. Now you can return to your delusional world where facts do not exist.
Why is DOJ dropping all the charges?
 
can't wait to see how people try and defend the actions that take place over the next

Democrats do love the status quo
I feel the only reason they offered to negotiate was because they thought Kamala was gonna win and we'd get more in negotiations so they'd win if we extended. Now that Trump won they'll win if we negotiate so they have zero interest in letting us extend at this point.

Although the FAA would honestly help it's self with staffing and hiring if they gave us a pay raise, they don't look at it like that and they aren't looking to help us. This is why we should not be collaborating really at all because it just helps the FAA
 
I feel the only reason they offered to negotiate was because they thought Kamala was gonna win and we'd get more in negotiations so they'd win if we extended. Now that Trump won they'll win if we negotiate so they have zero interest in letting us extend at this point.

Although the FAA would honestly help its self with staffing and hiring if they gave us a pay raise, they don't look at it like that and they aren't looking to help us. This is why we should not be collaborating really at all because it just helps the FAA
Exactly beyond schedule negotiations, Leave and OT MOU the rest is all BS.
Nobody where I work helps with all of their extra stuff….we aren’t trying to help management. Maybe once they learn how to staff correctly we will consider doing extra duties but until then nope.
 
I feel the only reason they offered to negotiate was because they thought Kamala was gonna win and we'd get more in negotiations so they'd win if we extended. Now that Trump won they'll win if we negotiate so they have zero interest in letting us extend at this point.

Although the FAA would honestly help it's self with staffing and hiring if they gave us a pay raise, they don't look at it like that and they aren't looking to help us. This is why we should not be collaborating really at all because it just helps the FAA
Realistically, I would assume NATCA and the FAA is far down on the totem pole for the agencies they are going to go after. They will be focused on the big three letter agencies, FBI, CIA, DHS, WHO, FDA, DOE, etc…

NATCA negotiators needs to be good at proving our value, the conditions that we have worked under for the last 10+ years, competitive pay within the aviation industry, and how we have saved the FAA over and over again from their ineptitude to staff the NAS.
 
Exactly beyond schedule negotiations, Leave and OT MOU the rest is all BS.
Nobody where I work helps with all of their extra stuff….we aren’t trying to help management. Maybe once they learn how to staff correctly we will consider doing extra duties but until then nope.
But then the people who have been hiding doing extra duties for a decade would have to come back and actually do their job, and we can't have that.
 
And we should offer concessions to get rid of the 114 positions that are a waste of money and put them back on the floor to improve staffing. While simultaneously showing how many useless bodies are maxed out in pointless positions up the management chain, QAQC, staff, etc. That is how you clean house. The controllers that are working the boards hold the power, we seem to forget
 
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And we should offer concessions to get rid of the 114 positions that are a waste of money and put them back on the floor to improve staffing. While simultaneously showing how many useless bodies are maxed out in pointless positions up the management chain, QAQC, staff, etc. That is how you clean house. The controllers that are working the boards hold the power, we seem to forget
This is the way, but unfortunately, the majority of NATCA leadership is more concerned about maintaining the status and their positions. The only way long term may be to decertify the union and start from scratch.
 
Why is DOJ dropping all the charges?
That’s a non sequitur. It doesn’t address any of the factual statements I made. And, the Fulton County DA is not dropping the state charges, in which the Executive Branch of the federal government has no say in the matter & in which convictions cannot be pardoned by a President.
 
But then the people who have been hiding doing extra duties for a decade would have to come back and actually do their job, and we can't have that.
We don’t have any SSS where I work, they want current controllers to help do their work. No thanks.
 
“95% of this thread was civil disagreement, then you barge in with this unhinged rage.

Seriously, get bent.”
Yes, my reply to a childish insult was exactly like your OMFG YOU'RE ALL INSUFFERABLE JACKASSES. WAAAAHHH.

Utterly. Unhinged.
🤣

No need to argue anymore boys. We are all strapped in and the train has left the station
I just don't want to miss their deer-in-the-headlights moment when they realize they aren't impervious to the consequences.
 
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