Leaving and Getting Rehired Success Rate

[SolicitSVFR]

What did you end up getting on the list after the year?

Yep ended up getting a list of like 30 facilities after the one year was up. Decided to stay DoD to see what happens with the contract. Boy am I glad I did! I’ll take my last minute always approved spot leave and no union dues. natca has shown itself to truly be a joke of a union after the extension of this contract. Nick Daniel’s did yall big dirty, but I guess it’s what the membership wanted lol

 

[Pointsixtynine.10]

Sorry if this has been answered already but if you have ppl available will that be paid out when you resign?

 

[Gauff]

Sorry if this has been answered already but if you have ppl available will that be paid out when you resign?

Pretty sure you have to work for 6 months or something after you take PPL or you have to pay the time back, so I don't think it'd be paid out at all like annual just because you are eligible for it.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm totally wrong ok this

 

[Somenewguy]

Pretty sure you have to work for 6 months or something after you take PPL or you have to pay the time back, so I don't think it'd be paid out at all like annual just because you are eligible for it.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm totally wrong ok this

You are correct, you sign an agreement saying you will work for a period of time after the PPL or you have to pay it back.

 

[32andBelow]

You are correct, you sign an agreement saying you will work for a period of time after the PPL or you have to pay it back.

I didn’t sign anything at all.

 

[josplacem]

• An employee may not receive a lump-sum payment for any unused or forfeited PPL under any circumstance, and the leave may not be saved for use for a future birth or placement.

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I didn’t sign anything at all.

If you signed the PPL request form you agreed to work 12 weeks after the leave usage concludes.

 

[32andBelow]

If you signed the PPL request form you agreed to work 12 weeks after the leave usage concludes.

I didn’t sign anything

 

[ManBearPig]

If you signed the PPL request form you agreed to work 12 weeks after the leave usage concludes.

Where does it say that?

OPM says you have to enter an agreement. But I have never seen an FAA version of it.

 

[josplacem]

Where does it say that?

OPM says you have to enter an agreement. But I have never seen an FAA version of it.

The form says “in accordance with the MOU I request…” The MOU lays out how taking PPL applies to us under the Family and Medical Leave Act.

Under the FML Act we are entitled to 12 weeks of FMLA-LWOP for certain things. Under the same act we are also given a 12 week balance of PPL for the birth of a child. You then substitute the PPL for the FMLA-LWOP. One of the conditions for substituting PPL for FMLA-LWOP is:

• Prior to using PPL, an employee must enter into a written agreement to complete a 12-week work obligation after use of PPL concludes.

It’s very lawyer coded. In the weeds. 99.999% won’t apply. If someone resigns they might not even enforce it. But they could, and that’s why.

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The statute itself requires the written 12-week agreement without exceptions. It does however allow each agency to determine whether it will require reimbursement. No clue if the FAA has that policy or not. If they don’t require reimbursement, the whole things a moot point if the primary concern is whether you’d be on the hook financially

 

[ManBearPig]

The form says “in accordance with the MOU I request…” The MOU lays out how taking PPL applies to us under the Family and Medical Leave Act.

Under the FML Act we are entitled to 12 weeks of FMLA-LWOP for certain things. Under the same act we are also given a 12 week balance of PPL for the birth of a child. You then substitute the PPL for the FMLA-LWOP. One of the conditions for substituting PPL for FMLA-LWOP is:

• Prior to using PPL, an employee must enter into a written agreement to complete a 12-week work obligation after use of PPL concludes.

It’s very lawyer coded. In the weeds. 99.999% won’t apply. If someone resigns they might not even enforce it. But they could, and that’s why.

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That same page lays out that your agency must make you sign that agreement. Neither the MOU nor the PPL request form have those provisions.

I suppose they could try to enforce it, but from the looks of it, the Agency has not followed OPM guidance.

 

[32andBelow]

The vast majority in the FAA use intermittent ppl anyways. Not sure how you’d owe if you work half the days during it

 

[Gauff]

Under the FML Act we are entitled to 12 weeks of FMLA-LWOP for certain things. Under the same act we are also given a 12 week balance of PPL for the birth of a child. You then substitute the PPL for the FMLA-LWOP.

I thought you could take your 12 weeks of PPL and then also take the 12 weeks of FMLA-LWOP too of you wanted?

 

[the inquirer]

I thought you could take your 12 weeks of PPL and then also take the 12 weeks of FMLA-LWOP too of you wanted?

Think of fmla as something that applies to every worker in the country. Ppl is the system that allows you to get paid while taking fmla. (A lot of companies have no paid leave, but you can take fmla and use your own leave/lwop). Under article 30, you can take another 6 months uninterrupted or possibly 9 months of staffing and workload permit. So you could potentially take a year off if you’re at a well staffed facility.

 

[Redacted]

You don’t pay them back 12 weeks of pay. You pay them 12 weeks of health insurance premiums.

Reimbursement Requirement for Failure to Meet the Work Obligation​

The written work obligation agreement must include a statement that the employee agrees to make a reimbursement equal to the total amount of any Government contributions paid by the agency on behalf of the employee to maintain the employee’s health insurance coverage under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHB) established under 5 U.S.C. chapter 89 during the period(s) when PPL was used if the employee does not complete the entire work obligation, unless an affected agency determines that the reimbursement requirement cannot or will not be applied. The service agreement will note the possible need to provide a reimbursement to the applicable employing agency if an employee fails to meet the required work obligation.

Failure to complete the 12-week work obligation may result in an employee being required to make a reimbursement to the agency (or agencies) that employed the employee during use of PPL. With certain exceptions, the statute requires an employee who does not fulfill the 12-week work obligation to reimburse any agency contributions to maintain an employee’s FEHB coverage during the period that PPL was used. If an employee is not enrolled in FEHB coverage the reimbursement requirement does not apply if the employee does not fulfill the 12-week work obligation.