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Last I checked it was around 4k in training. Not counting management that's about 25%.

Separate note, if any believes furlough will be a thing theyre retarded. Word I'm getting is training will continue at ATM discretion, traffic levels at the beginning of training will be considered the new norm for training purposes.

The FAA a few months ago was dealing with a self-professed employee shortage. Any concept of cutting people for a short term pandemic would be egg in the face as soon as a year from the furlough. Believe it or not management has a strong survival instinct as well.
I don’t think I’m getting furloughed for the record. I’m just wondering why I’m paying for a union that thinks I’m non essential and doesn’t tell me anything during a pandemic. At least the training manager checks in once every 6 weeks.

those emails form national about getting training suspended longer almost seem congratulatory ?
 
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I dont see furloughs as a possibility any time soon, gov just paid trillions to companies under the condition that they keep employees on payroll. Then they would do it, unlikely. As others have said the lack of communication is most frustrating. Im not even saying we should be back, just tell us what the hell you are looking for in order to do so. Its been 2 months figure it outttt.
 
I don’t think I’m getting furloughed for the record. I’m just wondering why I’m paying for a union that thinks I’m non essential and doesn’t tell me anything during a pandemic. At least the training manager checks in once every 6 weeks.

those emails form national about getting training suspended longer almost seem congratulatory ?
I mean you are getting paid to not work. Ya pity you the union sucks /s.

Im no natca knob slobbing apologist but seriously yall need to stfu. I'd like to be done training too. I'm a CPC IT midway thru my second year of a fucking 4 or 5 year training program at a fucking level 8 up down (yes I know thats ridiculous, but it's the "norm" here now, pity me, not you for your few month delay in a normal training program). I feel what you are saying but seriously the entitlement and bitching is out of control. Fucking act of God, deal with it like the rest of the world and be glad you are getting payed.
 
I mean you are getting paid to not work. Ya pity you the union sucks /s.

Im no natca knob slobbing apologist but seriously yall need to stfu. I'd like to be done training too. I'm a CPC IT midway thru my second year of a fucking 4 or 5 year training program at a fucking level 8 up down (yes I know thats ridiculous, but it's the "norm" here now, pity me, not you for your few month delay in a normal training program). I feel what you are saying but seriously the entitlement and bitching is out of control. Fucking act of God, deal with it like the rest of the world and be glad you are getting payed.
I’m 2 years into a training program too. I also get all the usually faa delays everyone deals with. Plus gov shutdown. We just want information. I’m glad I’m getting paid. But saying it’s unsafe now and knowing this is going to be like this for another year or whatever is a little unsettling.

the only official notice we got that it got from may 15 to June 15 was like a bullet point in a national email. And posts on this forum.
 
I’m 2 years into a training program too. I also get all the usually faa delays everyone deals with. Plus gov shutdown. We just want information. I’m glad I’m getting paid. But saying it’s unsafe now and knowing this is going to be like this for another year or whatever is a little unsettling.

the only official notice we got that it got from may 15 to June 15 was like a bullet point in a national email. And posts on this forum.
You are missing the point.... Are you at a Z?

Then yes, 3-5 years of the suck is the norm, not some godforsaken backlog of top down fuckery that's pushing your training time to double what it is for any other comparable facility. It's a few more months, in which again, YOU ARE BEING PAYED TO NOT WORK (and not be exposed to a pathogen) , thanks to your union. Deal with it. It's not the end of the world.
You are acting like someone is asking you to eat a pile of shit daily instead of train, not get payed to sit at home and do whatever it is you want to do in all your newfound free time.

Get a nice isolated solo hobby and enjoy the time off.
 
I’m 2 years into a training program too. I also get all the usually faa delays everyone deals with. Plus gov shutdown. We just want information. I’m glad I’m getting paid. But saying it’s unsafe now and knowing this is going to be like this for another year or whatever is a little unsettling.

the only official notice we got that it got from may 15 to June 15 was like a bullet point in a national email. And posts on this forum.
I think they extend the training hold from May til June for the exact thing I said in my previous post. They’re waiting to see what traffic does. That’s literally the only answer I think they have to give you at this point. Once the traffic picks up training will too. And to be clear, I’m not saying it needs to pick up to where it was before hand because like you and everyone else has said, traffic will remain down for quite awhile. But will it stay 70-80 percent down? No. It’s climbing ever so slightly week by week. And once it gets to a point where they can actually train, which will be a facility by facility basis, you will get answers as to a plan for training. But until then the plan is to wait until the traffic makes it even possible to train. And unfortunately there’s really no concrete way to forecast that. I could be completely wrong lol but that’s just how I see it
 
Except “they don’t know” is not the only answer. I reached out to my FacRep and asked what the word is. They had a lot more to tell me than, “I don’t know”. But they made zero effort to forward that info without me asking. That is what people are complaining about.

I’m loving the time off!!!
 
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I think they extend the training hold from May til June for the exact thing I said in my previous post. They’re waiting to see what traffic does. That’s literally the only answer I think they have to give you at this point. Once the traffic picks up training will too. And to be clear, I’m not saying it needs to pick up to where it was before hand because like you and everyone else has said, traffic will remain down for quite awhile. But will it stay 70-80 percent down? No. It’s climbing ever so slightly week by week. And once it gets to a point where they can actually train, which will be a facility by facility basis, you will get answers as to a plan for training. But until then the plan is to wait until the traffic makes it even possible to train. And unfortunately there’s really no concrete way to forecast that. I could be completely wrong lol but that’s just how I see it
Thats the problem, everything is opinions with nothing actually being communicated. Maybe you are spot on, maybe OJT cant continue until social distancing isnt a thing anymore because of the trainer/trainee proximity. The communication as to any sort of plan is the issue
 
Except “they don’t know” is not the only answer. I reached out to my FacRep and asked what the word is. They had a lot more to tell me than, “I don’t know”. But they made zero effort to forward that info without me asking. That is what people are complaining about.

I’m loving the time off!!!
care to share? PM is okay


Almost two months. Just need to get your currency time each month. If you don't, you'll need certified again.
I already need a revert how long till I have to train on d sides again. That would be the ultimate fu. At least let us come in and get currency to avoid that
 
Said it before and I’ll say it again. Training resuming will be probably facility by facility basis and be based on traffic levels warranting bringing extra people back into the building amidst an ongoing pandemic. My guess is the FAA will say when they can start training but facilities will still be able to do it on their schedule after that point. Because sure, states are starting to open up, but it’s not because there’s all of a sudden been a cure or treatment found. It’s because we’ve reached an acceptable level of risk in society when weighing the risk reward of keeping everything shut down. So as far as our facilities go, does the reward of bringing people back in the building to train on this traffic really outweigh the health risk at this point? I don’t think so, at least not at my facility. I know it sucks, if I were in your shoes I’d be itching to get training too. But gotta have some understanding to the reality of the situation. Most facilities are staffing bare minimums and still have more people in the building than needed. At my facility if you included trainees we would normally have around 15-18 people per shift in my area and multiply that by 7 for the building. Right now we have 4-5 people per shift per area and we have more people/breaks than we know what to do with because the traffic allows us to stay on the mid config all day long. If there was no health pandemic I’d say it is what it is and train on the traffic there is. But that’s not the case. More people in the building equals more risk and no reward at this point. And they can’t give a definitive time table because they don’t know when that traffic count will rise or the virus threat subsides enough or both happen to a point where it’s worth introducing risk back into the building.


Trainees weren’t sent home as a result of no traffic. It was for social distancing. Now the story has changed to “don’t bring them back until traffic comes back.” Complete double standard.

also, why does traffic increasing suddenly make it okay to forego social distancing requirements and return trainees? If they’re at home - they’re useless. What does returning them to work accomplish (hint: nothing)?

also, I’m not ADVOCATING for the F word - just saying it’s a higher chance than anyone cares to admit.

But saying it’s unsafe now and knowing this is going to be like this for another year or whatever is a little unsettling.

This is my point. Traffic or no traffic doesn’t change the reason trainees are at home. Are retirements also on hold too?
 
2+ months in, not knowing is not really acceptable. All 50 states are reopening. Even New York is reopening.
Well, you haven’t been in the agency very long, but you’re seeing first hand what happens to an organization when the bottom 10% of employees matriculate into management, unlike most other career fields where the more competent at their job get promoted. It rots the structure and it’s not capable of doing anything.

Nothing will happen until the July flight schedule comes out from the airlines. May is almost done and June is inked, no major changes. Pax counts are still about 10 percent of last years. Some private jets are doing more, GA is up some-places Bc the wx is nice and they know the airlines are not flying as much so airports that are usually off limits to them are now open. But overall it’s still a sad state of affairs, I get a lot of “you guys still there?” Bc there is only one plane when there would normally be a dozen.
 
The main gripe is no one is telling us wtf is going on and what the eventual plan is get ya back to work. We want to work. We don’t want to be sitting at home.

also I don’t want to be classified as non essential in the event daddy trump comes a knocking. It makes zero sense to have your union tell your employer that you are non essential.
I think that it's tough for trainees because they are basically being told 30 days at a time to stay home for 30 days at a time. It can be hard to study LOA's or play sick vectoring games for 8 hours a day with no real understanding of what is happening. Also you have to take into account training regression. There's a zero percent probability trainees will be able to pick up where they left off, too much time off from doing a task you're not familiar with isn't going to bode well for any of the trainees. I also hear this from CPC's who worry they will regress because they aren't getting normal traffic numbers either. It's a big clusterfuck.
 
I think that it's tough for trainees because they are basically being told 30 days at a time to stay home for 30 days at a time. It can be hard to study LOA's or play sick vectoring games for 8 hours a day with no real understanding of what is happening. Also you have to take into account training regression. There's a zero percent probability trainees will be able to pick up where they left off, too much time off from doing a task you're not familiar with isn't going to bode well for any of the trainees. I also hear this from CPC's who worry they will regress because they aren't getting normal traffic numbers either. It's a big clusterfuck.
It is a clusterfuck for all those reasons and while I’d never defend management, this is a situation that has never ever been seen before. Lots of things to consider. On top of all that, you have the people who were the worst at their jobs that are now in charge of figuring it out. Lions being led by lambs is never a good thing.

For example What do you do with the trainee that was about to wash, but now comes back to 10-50% traffic that they can work? It’s going to be like this for a while, it won’t be magically all coming back next week. How do you proceed?
 
The main gripe is no one is telling us wtf is going on and what the eventual plan is get ya back to work. We want to work. We don’t want to be sitting at home.

also I don’t want to be classified as non essential in the event daddy trump comes a knocking. It makes zero sense to have your union tell your employer that you are non essential.
Welcome to the FAA and NATCA
 
All the bitching and moaning about returning to work and no information being passed is understandable. Everyone wants to know what is going on and this able to plan for what they need to do as individuals.

That being said, blaming the FAA or NATCA for lack of information isn’t going to fix anything. Government is a big ship and takes a ton to get it moving and changing direction. Since the FAA is under the DOT, it has to get guidance from DOT, DOT can’t set policy, etc., without getting it approved by OMB. With that, the DOT plan for reopening has been at OMB for at least 2 weeks to be vetted and approved, making sure everything is in order. I’m sure we aren’t the only department having plans reviewed.

hopefully information comes out soon, so everyone can move forward with whatever direction is given.
 
All the bitching and moaning about returning to work and no information being passed is understandable. Everyone wants to know what is going on and this able to plan for what they need to do as individuals.

That being said, blaming the FAA or NATCA for lack of information isn’t going to fix anything. Government is a big ship and takes a ton to get it moving and changing direction. Since the FAA is under the DOT, it has to get guidance from DOT, DOT can’t set policy, etc., without getting it approved by OMB. With that, the DOT plan for reopening has been at OMB for at least 2 weeks to be vetted and approved, making sure everything is in order. I’m sure we aren’t the only department having plans reviewed.

hopefully information comes out soon, so everyone can move forward with whatever direction is given.
If this is true just sharing this information would clear up most of our gripe of lack of information. Sharing the submitted plan would be even better.
 
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