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I mean hypothetically, if RIFs have been/are being discussed, it could have more to do with optics than actual dollars. I’m sure over an 8 month period, word has spread that hundreds if not thousands of people have been getting paid to sit at home “and do nothing” on EA. I’m sure one Senator calling up the agency could trigger some type knee jerk “we gotta do something, how about RIFs??” reaction.
 
Clearly RIFs have been discussed as a threat to get natca to agree to bring some folks back into buildings. I don’t honestly think the agency wants a RIF, but the last 8 months have created a giant optics problem no matter how you slice it. Several of you clearly still in denial. Kinda laughable.
 
Could it be that the Trump administration is just slinging shit everywhere on the way out to make things as difficult for Biden as possible. After trillions in stimulus and an election loss, the GOP is looking to play the fiscal conservative card again and is looking for talking points.
 
It is probably true that they can axe people in their probationary period without much concern, I find it very hard to believe that the fed would be willing to breach a contract so brazenly within a two month span (Trump admin). I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt that the fed can just axe thousands of BUE's at-will with absolutely no recourse. That's just not going to happen. If the RIF was really gaining traction you would see hiring freezes, early buyouts, etc. None of it makes any business or economic sense.

The FAA is asking for a little over 17 billion for FY 2021, that's a drop in the bucket, that would be 1.7% of a 1 trillion dollar stimulus package. https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2020-02/FY 2021 FAA President's Budget.pdf
Also there are roughly 14,000 ATC's in the USA, if they all made $150,000/yr that would come out to 2.1 billion dollars (and it will be much less than that). Not to mention the COVID pandemic isn't permanent and we already had a nationwide shortage of ATC's going into this year and we've only lost more through retirements/medicals etc.

So why would the fed start axing people who they invest thousands and thousands of dollars to train, to save a few bucks? The answer is they wouldn't.

I get what you're trying to say Billy, and once again I'm not saying it will/is happening, as stated multiple times I'm not arguing the fact of it's existence and I'm confused on where you guys are getting lost in that.


To add onto what you were saying. There is literally nothing, absolutely zip, nada, goose egg that requires the government to cooperate with the NATCA CBA. Cooperation is 100% literally voluntary at all parts by the U.S. Government.

What're you gonna do sue the people with the money printer and then pay your members $12 each 8 years later as a result of "succesful" litigation?

See below, history literally disagrees with you on every issue.
They can't fire all of us, you youngings need a history listen
 
I agree with Counterclockwise ,there won't be a RIF. Makes little sense unless it's just to cause as much chaos with Biden coming in. Our facility just got 2 new trainees from the academy and a prior experience coming in. Return to status quo is going to start sooner rather than later.
Get out of here with that logic, Saltier says F-F-Furloughs are coming!!!!!
 
Get out of here with that logic, Saltier says F-F-Furloughs are coming!!!!!
Oh no not the F word!!111!1!
will ferrell panic GIF
 
Tower. Looks like medical shut us down because we've had too much covid
PNW controllers and all their “peaceful protesting” spreading the rona everywhere ?

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The criteria they used on me was 30 minute contact within 6 feet. How are whole areas getting sent home?
Steve changed it to 15 mins within 6ft this week because of all rising case numbers or CDC or WHO or P65 users.... I dunno.
 
More scuttle, ATC might be grouped with first responders for vaccine distribution.
The first responders are going to be the first tier of vaccine distribution. Within the first responder group is tiers. ATC is in the third tier.
The criteria they used on me was 30 minute contact within 6 feet. How are whole areas getting sent home?
On Wednesday there was a question asked on a telecon about why FAA was still using 6 feet and 30 minutes when the CDC has updated their close contact definition twice since April. Answer was that the FAA's safety protocols and other reasons meant that the CDC had given the okay on us still using 30 minutes. On Thursday, in another telecon, that was being explained. During that telecon, Administrator Steve sent out an email that the FAA, effective immediately, was switching to 6 feet and 15 minutes of contact. Guy on telecon said that the email wasn't official yet, and the 30 minute definition still applied.
Absolute dumpster fire of people trying to interpret things and saying they haven't been briefed of a change. The email is your briefing, how much clearer can it get....
 
The first responders are going to be the first tier of vaccine distribution. Within the first responder group is tiers. ATC is in the third tier.

On Wednesday there was a question asked on a telecon about why FAA was still using 6 feet and 30 minutes when the CDC has updated their close contact definition twice since April. Answer was that the FAA's safety protocols and other reasons meant that the CDC had given the okay on us still using 30 minutes. On Thursday, in another telecon, that was being explained. During that telecon, Administrator Steve sent out an email that the FAA, effective immediately, was switching to 6 feet and 15 minutes of contact. Guy on telecon said that the email was official yet, and the 30 minute definition still applied.
Absolute dumpster fire of people trying to interpret things and saying they haven't been briefed of a change. The email is your briefing, how much clearer can it get....
That’s hilarious. After I got DQd twice the sup made me like take a 2 minute walk from the d side 29 minutes into the session. Not even kidding
 
There won’t be any rifs. There will be a multi year training backlog that will take way longer to clean than for traffic to return. Classic faa.
 
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