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If schools can make vaccinations mandatory for kids, I’m pretty sure the Feds could make one for a pandemic mandatory for employees.
Also FLRA decision 3-RO-70004 (1987) certified that NATCA is the exclusive representative of center and terminal 2152 employees (and then other decisions certified NATCA as representing other bargaining units too). Doesn't explicitly say "this union has the right to exist" but it does say "this union that exists has the right to represent these people." The decision can be found copied in appendix D of the slate book. I would have thought it would be recorded online somewhere else, but it doesn't seem to be easily findable. May still be on paper at the national archives in St Louis or something.
The EO seems to be the source of authority for us to have a union, but I'll submit a correction: JFK's EO 10988 was "revoked" and replaced by Nixon's EO 11491. The meat and potatoes is in Section 1, Paragraph A:
The right to have a union is explicitly NOT afforded to employees of the FBI, CIA, Foreign Service/Dept of State, Tennessee Valley Authority (??), or any agency's security or audit bureau. I'm not sure what the national security concerns would be for letting security/audit/intelligence employees collectively bargain, given that strikes are illegal in any case.
I wasn't clear if he meant we'd be the third tier within the first tier of "first responders" or part of the general third tier.
It appears we're the 3rd general tier, since we support critical infrastructure and national safety. At least that's how I'm reading it.
At least if they don’t make it mandatory let those that get it come back. Frankly they should let those that have had it (positive antibody test) come back now.If schools can make vaccinations mandatory for kids, I’m pretty sure the Feds could make one for a pandemic mandatory for employees.
There’d be stories in the paper about groups of FAA trainees found at hospitals licking gurneys and door knobs if they did this.At least if they don’t make it mandatory let those that get it come back. Frankly they should let those that have had it (positive antibody test) come back now
Trainers would prolly lambast trainees that DIDNT do thisThere’d be stories in the paper about groups of FAA trainees found at hospitals licking gurneys and door knobs if they did this.
I'm doing that just to get the 14 days of EAThere’d be stories in the paper about groups of FAA trainees found at hospitals licking gurneys and door knobs if they did this.
No just get “exposed” and you can do it over and over. Once you get it that’s that.I'm doing that just to get the 14 days of EA
I wish, our management is needing positive tests.No just get “exposed” and you can do it over and over. Once you get it that’s that.
Forget management. FS literally takes your medical if you report isI wish, our management is needing positive tests.
Wouldn’t be the only knob I’ve had to lick for trainingThere’d be stories in the paper about groups of FAA trainees found at hospitals licking gurneys and door knobs if they did this.
Forget management. FS SHOULD take your medical if you report is
We’re the people simply exposed. Or did they meet the less than 6 feet for 30 minutes. That part is the guideline straight from the CDC.FTFY.
Again this is your FS, not applicable to every facility in the NAS. My management has literally called and negotiated with the FS every time something comes up. Contact tracing made the flight surgeon pull like 7 medicals. Management called and got that reversed and every one of those people were back at work the next day.
They met the 6 feet 30 minutes.We’re the people simply exposed. Or did they meet the less than 6 feet for 30 minutes. That part is the guideline straight from the CDC.
There has to be more to this story. The FS has zero accountability to air traffic management and their word is (mostly)final with regards to our medical status.FTFY.
Again this is your FS, not applicable to every facility in the NAS. My management has literally called and negotiated with the FS every time something comes up. Contact tracing made the flight surgeon pull like 7 medicals. Management called and got that reversed and every one of those people were back at work the next day.
Then that’s big yikes.They met the 6 feet 30 minutes.
It’s possible, I’m not privy to much lol.There has to be more to this story. The FS has zero accountability to air traffic management and their word is (mostly)final with regards to our medical status.
You’d think the main flight surgeon, the flight surgeon general if you will. Would not think kindly of his deputy not following the cdc guidelineIt’s possible, I’m not privy to much lol.
Maybe I’m wrong but pretty sure it’s 50th Anniversary: Executive Order 10988 | FLRA
Also FLRA decision 3-RO-70004 (1987) certified that NATCA is the exclusive representative of center and terminal 2152 employees (and then other decisions certified NATCA as representing other bargaining units too). Doesn't explicitly say "this union has the right to exist" but it does say "this union that exists has the right to represent these people." The decision can be found copied in appendix D of the slate book. I would have thought it would be recorded online somewhere else, but it doesn't seem to be easily findable. May still be on paper at the national archives in St Louis or something.
The EO seems to be the source of authority for us to have a union, but I'll submit a correction: JFK's EO 10988 was "revoked" and replaced by Nixon's EO 11491. The meat and potatoes is in Section 1, Paragraph A:
The right to have a union is explicitly NOT afforded to employees of the FBI, CIA, Foreign Service/Dept of State, Tennessee Valley Authority (??), or any agency's security or audit bureau. I'm not sure what the national security concerns would be for letting security/audit/intelligence employees collectively bargain, given that strikes are illegal in any case.
I wasn't clear if he meant we'd be the third tier within the first tier of "first responders" or part of the general third tier.
III. Labor Management Relations
Congress did not include Chapter 71 of Title 5, "Labor Management Relations," in the list of sections that will continue to apply to FAA's new personnel management system. The FAA has elected to continue the rights and benefits of union representation to our employees by providing for recognition of exclusive representatives, collective bargaining, and union representation in accordance with the provisions of Chapter 71. Accordingly, present and future changes and ongoing matters related to FAA's personnel management system under this directive shall not be implemented for bargaining unit members until after the completion of substantive and/or impact and implementation bargaining to the same extent as would be required by Chapter 71.
IV. Modification of this System
FAA reserves the right to modify, add to, or delete any portion of this personnel management system, either in whole or
in part, as deemed appropriate by the Administrator.
Even tho we legally can’t strike. A work slow down or an illegal strike holds a large deal of power over the FAA. I don’t think firing all the ATCs would play very well in 2020 in the media.My question should have been phrased differently. 5CFR ch71 is the legal authority, which is what I was going for, but I didn't ask it correctly. The FAA is exempt from 5CFR, with a few exceptions, and ch 71 isn't one of them. The FAA is in charge of it's own personnel management, outside of the excepted sections of 5CFR. FAA PMS section 3:
Section 4:
This is probably a little oversimplified, but the union is around because the FAA agreed to let it be around, and that can change at their pleasure. All this is to say Shikaka is 100% correct, and most people greatly overestimate the unions "authority".