Hiring Bid Air Traffic Control Specialist - Trainee: FAA-ATO-16-ALLSRCE-49075 Bid

[nis350ztt]

To be exact here are the final numbers...
From FAA HR:
- There are 5,243 applicants who passed the ATSA.
--- 2,242 are in Pool 1
--- 3,001 are in Pool 2.

From here 700 from each group will be selected.

Are these numbers from another source that heard it from HR or did you hear this direct from HR? Who in HR? - nevermind, saw your reply. (Source was a CTI group)

Assuming 700 is correct, how would they select the 700?

 

[nis350ztt]

I don't know anything about the selection process but if they want to hire 1400 controllers this year it would seem strange if they selected 1400 given they will lose half of those selected to pre-employment screening and the academy.

I agree.

 

[AO0530]

I don't know anything about the selection process but if they want to hire 1400 controllers this year it would seem strange if they selected 1400 given they will lose half of those selected to pre-employment screening and the academy.

I also think that's strange. If they literally hired 1400, pass rates are around 50-xx%? They wouldn't hit their target. The percentages would be even lower for cpc I assume.

 

[CF]

Does anyone know if that 1400 number is the amount of CPC they want each year or is that just people going to the academy with the attrition built in?

 

[AO0530]

I dug around and found this. This website is the shit!

 

[CF]

I dug around and found this. This website is the shit!

Can you link where that workbook is?

 

[AO0530]

Projected Hiring

 

[CF]

Projected Hiring

Thanks, after looking at that and the Workforce planning doc it kinda seems like the 1400 is a number that accounts for losses at the academy and wash outs.

 

[AO0530]

Thanks, after looking at that and the Workforce planning doc it kinda seems like the 1400 is a number that accounts for losses at the academy and wash outs.

Also that 1400 number is since the beginning of the fiscal year.

 

[Atc1234]

The million dollar question is: how far out will they hire? Last year they gave out 2800 or so TOL's. People that got selected off the last bid are still awaiting dates for the academy. It's possible they could select enough applicants for 1.5-2 years. However, I do not know and I have a feeling that the people who do, aren't saying.

 

[AO0530]

The million dollar question is: how far out will they hire? Last year they gave out 2800 or so TOL's. People that got selected off the last bid are still awaiting dates for the academy. It's possible they could select enough applicants for 1.5-2 years. However, I do not know and I have a feeling that the people who do, aren't saying.

I would assume it goes beyond FY 2017. Especially since some people from the 2015 bid are still waiting for class dates. Although, I do think they're at the end of that list.

 

[breakaway2000]

Are these numbers from another source that heard it from HR or did you hear this direct from HR? Who in HR? - nevermind, saw your reply. (Source was a CTI group)

Assuming 700 is correct, how would they select the 700?

The head of the group who talked to HR said there is a rumor within HR (because they didn't believe this many people would pass the AT-SA) that they will use this group to cover hiring in two fiscal years which would equate to ~1,500 per group.
I 100% agree it would seem ridiculous to purge a list of qualified applicants after you've already paid X amount of dollars to get them to this point and as people have mentioned, if you hire 1,400. I'd estimate ~1,000 get through the academy then even less to CPC. I truly hope all of you that have made it to this point will receive a TOL at some point.

 

[Stevenb]

I wish I could find the numbers but there were somewhere around 9500 eligible to take the atsa. There was around 2000-2500(can't remember) that did not take the test. Leaving us around 7000-7500who took it. Now with the most recent number of 5200 passing. It falls in line with 75% pass rate (45% band 1 30% band 2)

 

[breakaway2000]

The numbers should be released next week showing of the 2,242 that passed in Pool 1, how many were CTI and how many were military. As someone said earlier, HR would not answer his questioning about which bands everyone fell in (highly qualified vs qualified). Unless they are planning to scrap highly qualified and qualified, I don't know why they wouldn't release the information to you guys. Even the old AT-SAT we'd know the exact grade we got and if we were well qualified or qualified.

 

[echster]

To be exact here are the final numbers...
From FAA HR:
- There are 5,243 applicants who passed the ATSA.
--- 2,242 are in Pool 1
--- 3,001 are in Pool 2.

From here 700 from each group will be selected.

I would be disappointed if the FAA did this. The FAA should hire 1,400 from each pool. Why not fill two FYs worth of academy slots from this announcement? There are clearly enough well-qualified applicants to do so and it would keep the hiring pipeline filled into the near future. It is not like the FAA is fully-staffed and the end of year retirement wave is not hitting right now.

 

[MJ]

Thanks, after looking at that and the Workforce planning doc it kinda seems like the 1400 is a number that accounts for losses at the academy and wash outs.

This is correct. A hire is considered someone who is actually working for the FAA (starting the academy or the facility). None of what happens before that is relevant to any projections.

With that in mind, people who will be hired from this bid will not be brought on board in 2017, so it's filling the 2018 projections. Regarding the large numbers of people passing the atsa, I have no special insight, but I'll just say historically they retained the hiring pool. The only recent time it was purged was when the redid the hiring process with the Bio Q.

I don't know the number of people who passed and are currently in each pool, but the law is no more than a 10% difference selected, so 55%/45% would be the max spread.

Edit: to clarify, if the projected hiring for this year is 1800, that does not mean 1800 TOLs given out; it means they project 1800 people actually starting their jobs with the FAA. There is no projected/expected TOLs number out there.

 

[Stevenb]

This is correct. A hire is considered someone who is actually working for the FAA (starting the academy or the facility). None of what happens before that is relevant to any projections.

With that in mind, people who will be hired from this bid will not be brought on board in 2017, so it's filling the 2018 projections. Regarding the large numbers of people passing the atsa, I have no special insight, but I'll just say historically they retained the hiring pool. The only recent time it was purged was when the redid the hiring process with the Bio Q.

I don't know the number of people who passed and are currently in each pool, but the law is no more than a 10% difference selected, so 55%/45% would be the max spread.

When you say 55/45 would be the max spread are you talking about between pool 1 and pool 2

 

[MJ]

When you say 55/45 would be the max spread are you talking about between pool 1 and pool 2

Yes. If there are 100 selections, a max of 55 could come from either pool.

 

[breakaway2000]

When you say 55/45 would be the max spread are you talking about between pool 1 and pool 2

Exactly. In practical terms and assuming 1,400 total hires they could hire as much as 770 (55%) from pool 1 (CTI/Military) and 630 (45%) from pool 2 (Off the Street) and vice versa.

 

[breakaway2000]

If you're bored, you can check out the HR 636 here...
Text - H.R.636 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act of 2016
Then just search for Sec. 2106. Hiring of Air Traffic Controllers