Airservices Australia Recruiting Initiative

But_I_Had_Visual said:

Wait are we talking like air traffic hot or real world hot?

Real world,

Looks like Australia isn’t poaching only ATC. Just got this ad on Facebook.

the inquirer said:

Looks like Australia isn’t poaching only ATC. Just got this ad on Facebook.

"Poaching" is a strong word considering the only advertising Air Services Australia has done was the international bid on their website. People are just so desperate to be valued word spread rather quickly.

buffalochickenqueefadilla said:

"Poaching" is a strong word considering the only advertising Air Services Australia has done was the international bid on their website. People are just so desperate to be valued word spread rather quickly.

Had a coworker who said that they were reached out to on linkedin to apply, I doubt many controllers have them but it sounds like they will reach out if they can find you

buffalochickenqueefadilla said:

"Poaching" is a strong word considering the only advertising Air Services Australia has done was the international bid on their website. People are just so desperate to be valued word spread rather quickly.

I will counter with this, poaching is exactly the right word. I have a friend, and a few across the globe, that works in ASA. They have been told to prioritize American hires for the experience and training. This is a bargain bin deal for them to pick up people that have worked more traffic than the rest of the world. Now obviously there are some adaptability challenges, but proving you have worked in the busiest Airspace in the world does count for more than most think. Even that lowly level 6/7 with pattern traffic and PA's.

AB19 said:

Had a coworker who said that they were reached out to on linkedin to apply, I doubt many controllers have them but it sounds like they will reach out if they can find you

GulfCharlie said:

I will counter with this, poaching is exactly the right word. I have a friend, and a few across the globe, that works in ASA. They have been told to prioritize American hires for the experience and training. This is a bargain bin deal for them to pick up people that have worked more traffic than the rest of the world. Now obviously there are some adaptability challenges, but proving you have worked in the busiest Airspace in the world does count for more than most think. Even that lowly level 6/7 with pattern traffic and PA's.

No arguments here. They are absolutely prioritizing American hires for the reasons you mentioned.

Im starting to just think people dont know poaching means. Air Services is not head hunting or obtaining in a secret / shady way American controllers. Americans are just applying to a hyped bid.

buffalochickenqueefadilla said:

Seems odd considering they can't even keep up with the backlog of applications. Last I heard was what I posted, and fhat was directly from the m

No arguments here. They are absolutely prioritizing American hires for the reasons you mentioned.

Im starting to just think people dont know poaching means. Air Services is not head hunting or obtaining in a secret / shady way American controllers. Americans are just applying to a hyped bid.

Now that I think back at it, poaching probably was too much an aggressive term, prioritizing was a better pick. That would mean a coordinated campaign aimed specifically at the U.S.

I retract my poaching statement.

GulfCharlie said:

I will counter with this, poaching is exactly the right word. I have a friend, and a few across the globe, that works in ASA. They have been told to prioritize American hires for the experience and training. This is a bargain bin deal for them to pick up people that have worked more traffic than the rest of the world. Now obviously there are some adaptability challenges, but proving you have worked in the busiest Airspace in the world does count for more than most think. Even that lowly level 6/7 with pattern traffic and PA's.

They are definitely getting a bargain. A facility rated CPC has probably cost a few hundred thousand, if not 1/2 a million invested in them at least. by the time you count hiring and initial testing, academy basics, academy IQT, rtf and all the classroom, lab, and ojti time. Add on maybe tsew, and any subsequent training at other facilities if applicable. I remember hearing from faa folks on my first day that it cost the agency over 100k to take someone from applying to getting them in the door at the academy. Australia or whoever gets to reap the benefits of that expensive training for pennies on the dollar.

It’s stupidly short sighted of the agency to put that much investment into a tangible asset and yet not devote a dime to keep the workplace competitive, so much so that our guys are going to “inferior” systems for better pay, opportunity and quality of life. The executive leadership of ATO from the current and prior generation are directly responsible for this catastrophe, were warned about it constantly, but yet they keep moving up, leaving nothing but wreckage in their wakes.

We all agree that for once they need to Hold the fuckers in charge responsible for their colossal fuck ups. We get rightfully skewered for a bad clearance or a readback error, but nothing ever happens to the ones at the top.

Bandit117 said:

They are definitely getting a bargain. A facility rated CPC has probably cost a few hundred thousand, if not 1/2 a million invested in them at least. by the time you count hiring and initial testing, academy basics, academy IQT, rtf and all the classroom, lab, and ojti time. Add on maybe tsew, and any subsequent training at other facilities if applicable. I remember hearing from faa folks on my first day that it cost the agency over 100k to take someone from applying to getting them in the door at the academy. Australia or whoever gets to reap the benefits of that expensive training for pennies on the dollar.

It’s stupidly short sighted of the agency to put that much investment into a tangible asset and yet not devote a dime to keep the workplace competitive, so much so that our guys are going to “inferior” systems for better pay, opportunity and quality of life. The executive leadership of ATO from the current and prior generation are directly responsible for this catastrophe, were warned about it constantly, but yet they keep moving up, leaving nothing but wreckage in their wakes.

We all agree that for once they need to Hold the fuckers in charge responsible for their colossal fuck ups. We get rightfully skewered for a bad clearance or a readback error, but nothing ever happens to the ones at the top.

Australia is gonna spend another 200k explaining that’s not how we do it here.

Bandit117 said:

They are definitely getting a bargain. A facility rated CPC has probably cost a few hundred thousand, if not 1/2 a million invested in them at least. by the time you count hiring and initial testing, academy basics, academy IQT, rtf and all the classroom, lab, and ojti time. Add on maybe tsew, and any subsequent training at other facilities if applicable. I remember hearing from faa folks on my first day that it cost the agency over 100k to take someone from applying to getting them in the door at the academy. Australia or whoever gets to reap the benefits of that expensive training for pennies on the dollar.

It’s stupidly short sighted of the agency to put that much investment into a tangible asset and yet not devote a dime to keep the workplace competitive, so much so that our guys are going to “inferior” systems for better pay, opportunity and quality of life. The executive leadership of ATO from the current and prior generation are directly responsible for this catastrophe, were warned about it constantly, but yet they keep moving up, leaving nothing but wreckage in their wakes.

We all agree that for once they need to Hold the fuckers in charge responsible for their colossal fuck ups. We get rightfully skewered for a bad clearance or a readback error, but nothing ever happens to the ones at the top.

Seriously?
Controllers in the US can screw up without consequences. The worst thing that happens is getting chewed out.

32andBelow said:

Australia is gonna spend another 200k explaining that’s not how we do it here.

it won’t be zero, have no idea what their training is like. But it’s not training from a blank slate like an academy grad etc. they are training a CPC with experience and I bet the positive training outcome rates are worth it.

KP-ATC said:

Seriously?
Controllers in the US can screw up without consequences. The worst thing that happens is getting chewed out.

AUS controller was named and shamed in thr NYT. No one has ever shamed the head of the ATO. They get promoted or are allowed to retire and take well paid consulting gigs

Bandit117 said:

it won’t be zero, have no idea what their training is like. But it’s not training from a blank slate like an academy grad etc. they are training a CPC with experience and I bet the positive training outcome rates are worth it.

ICAO controlling is way more serious

- Have a minimum of five years' ATC civilian operational experience and have been working within an operational ATC environment within the last three years.

So I know the FAA's definition on what this would mean (i.e. CPC for 5 years), but is Australia's the same or would they just go off your hire date? I'm assuming it's the same as the FAA's where 5 years CPC is required.

32andBelow said:

ICAO controlling is way more serious

And a lot slower (depending on what facility level you're at of course)

Can anyone comment on how long it took their visa decision to come back once the AI folks lodged it?

genericcontroller01 said:

Can anyone comment on how long it took their visa decision to come back once the AI folks lodged it?

Couple guys at work had visas within 48 hours of submitting official application.

Mike Kilo said:

Couple guys at work had visas within 48 hours of submitting official application.

Can confirm, took less than two days from the time they actually submitted it

AB19 said:

Can confirm, took less than two days from the time they actually submitted it

Thanks guys!

So as a CPC-IT that’s accepted an offer already, should I withdraw from training first a few weeks before putting in my 2 weeks notice, or just wait until I put in my resignation letter? Management doesn’t know anything yet

Cancan said:

So as a CPC-IT that’s accepted an offer already, should I withdraw from training first a few weeks before putting in my 2 weeks notice, or just wait until I put in my resignation letter? Management doesn’t know anything yet

ID not say a thing until the day you leave and then just say peace and bounce like a kangaroo