32andBelow said:The whole point of notice is to train your replacement. They ain’t training anyone in 2 weeks
Like I said. People can make their own decisions. I don’t care either way, not my career or future career
Airservices Australia Recruiting Initiative
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#242 Paperwork came through last night. Offically headed to Australia . Took about a week after submitting all items for the visa.
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#243 genericcontroller01 said:
Paperwork came through last night. Offically headed to Australia . Took about a week after submitting all items for the visa.
Good luck man. Enjoy it.
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#244 genericcontroller01 said:
Paperwork came through last night. Offically headed to Australia . Took about a week after submitting all items for the visa.
Get yourself an HSP when you come over
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#245 AB19 said:
Get yourself an HSP when you come over
High-powered Spider Protector? 🔫
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#246 JNev said:
High-powered Spider Protector? 🔫
Halal snack pack, you don't have those in Dubai?
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#247 TangoFox said:
So I know the FAA's definition on what this would mean (i.e. CPC for 5 years), but is Australia's the same or would they just go off your hire date? I'm assuming it's the same as the FAA's where 5 years CPC is required.
Just to provide an update to anyone else that was curious and is just monitoring this thread, this was their response when I emailed them:
"We will accept 5 years experience from when you certified and started working your first sector alone."
In other words, D3 for the En Route controllers. Which is effectively just when you fully CPC'd, but maybe it'll let you get in a couple months earlier. The one exception being the CPC's that might've gotten their first 2 during COVID and couldn't train for the remaining period.
Alternatively, this could be a language barrier.
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#248 Is there a recency requirement?
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#249 ZO said:
I technically havent heard back yet, applied Apr. 22nd and I inquired via email a month ago. They said 2-4 weeks I should hear back for the phone interview, but that there were over 100 in the same stage.
Hey! I sent you a dm about this.
Cancan said:
Anyone know how I can get the Employer reference letter for the Visa? HR won’t write me the letter using the template on official letterhead, and I’m not ready to tell my OM yet that I got the job in Australia. What have others done? I have an SF-50, pay stubs, and The Work Number job history but not sure if that will work
ZO said:
I'm definitely in a fortunate position for this, no kids and 19 years til retirement eligibility.
I'd have taken it even if it was a significant paycut. I'm lucky to be at a 12, and my paycheck is...(will probably catch some strays) good for a single person with no kids. I can comfortably max my TSP and save a good part of every paycheck. But a big reason I'm done with it is I'm not going to see weekends off for probably 15 years. Which *might* be tolerable if spot leave was ever available, and it certainly is not.
While I agree that our pay needs adressed, this will not solve the issue we are facing. I think we will see a significantly increased retention issue in the coming years with the new generation coming in.
Younger kids will realize they are staring down the barrel of a career without grabbing drinks with their friends on the weekends, or seeing their kids soccer games for the next 15+ years, they'll jump ship at an alarming rate, certified or not.
This was the tradeoff for a great salary, but that is no longer the case. Without a significant pay raise (unlikely) we need to address quality of life.
Reading through ASAs contract makes me so upset with Natca, because ASAs contract is miles better than ours. We should be fighting for some of the articles they have, not better equipment. The quality of life articles they have are unreal and should be standard across the profession.
To keep this rant semi-short, I planned on spending the next 20 years at my 12. Within 2 I was looking for any way out. The QoL trade off from a small facility for a much better paycheck is not worth it in my opinion now that I've seen both sides. But this is a trade off we shouldn't have to make as the best, most highly skilled controllers in the world.
I'm upset at Natca and the FAA, I absolutely love this job and to see how much better we could and should have it if we focused on the right things just makes me irrationally angry.
End rant.
Mike Kilo said:
Put in two weeks notice. Someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t your ATM leave remarks about the employee when they quit that can be used in future rehiring? As fun as it would be to just stop showing up and not tell anyone this is what I would do. Don’t burn bridges because maybe after you get citizenship the FAA is offering hiring bonuses or something and you wanna finish out and get a real pension instead of that trash you’ll get at 62.
Hey, I'm a reporter writing about ATCs leaving for Australia. Would you be open to chatting with me?
genericcontroller01 said:
Paperwork came through last night. Offically headed to Australia . Took about a week after submitting all items for the visa.
Hey, I'm a reporter for a national news outlet writing about ATCs leaving for Australia. i'm hoping to spotlight the challenges that FAA controllers face and explain why morale is low. Would you be open to chatting with me? Happy to keep you anonymous.
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#250 reporter417 said:
Hey, I'm a reporter for a national news outlet writing about ATCs leaving for Australia. i'm hoping to spotlight the challenges that FAA controllers face and explain why morale is low. Would you be open to chatting with me? Happy to keep you anonymous.
Bro we already told you ask nick Daniel’s why he won’t negotiate pay. Follow the money
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#251 32andBelow said:
Bro we already told you ask nick Daniel’s why he won’t negotiate pay. Follow the money
Hi, thanks for your thoughtful response. We are pursuing a story about issues of retention with air traffic controllers that will encompass concerns about stagnant pay. This is a separate story about controllers going to Australia, with a different angle. Thanks!
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#252 It's the same story
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#253 Geeare27 said:
It's the same story
It’s all about pay and benefits. It’s the whole story
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#254 reporter417 said:
Hi, thanks for your thoughtful response. We are pursuing a story about issues of retention with air traffic controllers that will encompass concerns about stagnant pay. This is a separate story about controllers going to Australia, with a different angle. Thanks!
Lol the whole reason people are moving across the world for the same job is because of pay and benefits.
This just shows that you only want to write a story about what your narrative in your head already is. That story about pay (which is 90%+ of all the issues with air traffic control) won't ever be written about.
If you actually cared about investigative journalism then you'd listen to people telling you what the issues are. But it'll be another trash story written about ATC by someone that knows nothing of the job and doesn't care to spend a second to learn about what they're writing. Journalism is dead.
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#255 Gauff said:
Lol the whole reason people are moving across the world for the same job is because of pay and benefits.
This just shows that you only want to write a story about what your narrative in your head already is. That story about pay (which is 90%+ of all the issues with air traffic control) won't ever be written about.
If you actually cared about investigative journalism then you'd listen to people telling you what the issues are. But it'll be another trash story written about ATC by someone that knows nothing of the job and doesn't care to spend a second to learn about what they're writing. Journalism is dead.
It’s why the controllers are so mad no one is listening to us. Not our union not no one
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#256 reporter417 said:
Hi, thanks for your thoughtful response. We are pursuing a story about issues of retention with air traffic controllers that will encompass concerns about stagnant pay. This is a separate story about controllers going to Australia, with a different angle. Thanks!
All my overtime just got cancelled. So now I have to choose between continuing my retirement contributions and picking up a second job to have any savings or drastically reducing retirement contributions so that I might have some quality of life.
My ability to take a vacation is gone. If my car gets damaged on the third world country quality roads, I cannot fix it. If my car dies for any other reason, I cannot replace it and there is no public transportation to my facility.
If I suffer some medical troubles I cannot pay the bill and will then lose my security clearance.
My take home pay after maxing 401k contributions is damn near equal to my rent plus food expenses. Why would I continue in this career? I have to retire early and I cannot contribute to my retirement accounts AND have a measurable quality of life while I work.
How does that make you feel when I'm telling your pilot to cross the active runway while a 757 is on a two mile final?
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#257 Cpt_munky said:
All my overtime just got cancelled. So now I have to choose between continuing my retirement contributions and picking up a second job to have any savings or drastically reducing retirement contributions so that I might have some quality of life.
My ability to take a vacation is gone. If my car gets damaged on the third world country quality roads, I cannot fix it. If my car dies for any other reason, I cannot replace it and there is no public transportation to my facility.
If I suffer some medical troubles I cannot pay the bill and will then lose my security clearance.
My take home pay after maxing 401k contributions is damn near equal to my rent plus food expenses. Why would I continue in this career? I have to retire early and I cannot contribute to my retirement accounts AND have a measurable quality of life while I work.
How does that make you feel when I'm telling your pilot to cross the active runway while a 757 is on a two mile final?
sounds like your quality of life would drastically improve if you moved to Australia
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#258 Cpt_munky said:
All my overtime just got cancelled. So now I have to choose between continuing my retirement contributions and picking up a second job to have any savings or drastically reducing retirement contributions so that I might have some quality of life.
My ability to take a vacation is gone. If my car gets damaged on the third world country quality roads, I cannot fix it. If my car dies for any other reason, I cannot replace it and there is no public transportation to my facility.
If I suffer some medical troubles I cannot pay the bill and will then lose my security clearance.
My take home pay after maxing 401k contributions is damn near equal to my rent plus food expenses. Why would I continue in this career? I have to retire early and I cannot contribute to my retirement accounts AND have a measurable quality of life while I work.
How does that make you feel when I'm telling your pilot to cross the active runway while a 757 is on a two mile final?
As someone at a good staffed facility y’all don’t realize how stupid it starts to get once you get good staffing. No OT and management down your dick about opening another sector so you don’t get too much break.
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#259 32andBelow said:
As someone at a good staffed facility y’all don’t realize how stupid it starts to get once you get good staffing. No OT and management down your dick about opening another sector so you don’t get too much break.
I don't want OT.
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#260 32andBelow said:
As someone at a good staffed facility y’all don’t realize how stupid it starts to get once you get good staffing. No OT and management down your dick about opening another sector so you don’t get too much break.
No wonder you are always on here. Spend more time on break than plugged in