August 2025

SquawkHijack said:

Why? So they can hang up the phone and laugh because they don’t give a shit? How many “thank you sir may I have anothers” did you have to take to be blessed into the cult bro?

Well yes but the reason they’ll hang up and laugh because your idea is fucking ********. And they’ll tell you the last 9 phone calls they got told them to fight against deviations.

Bandit117 said:

Again, that is the part of the problem. The agency has failed so spectacularly that controllers are willing to pass on benefits they would have gotten 10 years ago. You have the air traffic union doing the agencies job of advocating for proper staffing and modern, functional equipment.

if you move as an ATCS, you should get some kind of PCS. Doesn’t have to be full, but if they need you enough to pick you up somewhere, they can chip in. More things controllers now carry on their backs.

Yes I was stating part of the problem. They’re probably not going to offer PCS if they have excess candidates willing move for free. They created their own market advantage by restricting new placements into ‘needs of the agency’ for 9 years

Move78 said:

Yes I was stating part of the problem. They’re probably not going to offer PCS if they have excess candidates willing move for free. They created their own market advantage by restricting new placements into ‘needs of the agency’ for 9 years

And they were only able to do so with the explicit approval of natca. The union, not for the first time, has worked against the interests of its members by bending over and taking it up the poop chute and calling it collaboration.

Natca could cancel the ncept mou at anytime iirc. So could the faa. But they won’t, because they are gutless, spineless, scared little boys who deep down, know they have zero idea what they are doing

32andBelow said:

You’re still not getting it. I don’t want deviations I wants to just be able to apply for jobs I qualify for and get picked by the manager if they manager wants to hire me. Like every other job on the planet.

I get it. You want no release policy to exist to even deviate from. The internet’s rallying cry.
It sounds like a great idea if you don’t know what you’re talking about. It can’t be done at a deficit. Entire facilities would crumble.
This conversation would never even get off the ground but this is how it would go:
NATCA: How’s bout no release policy?
FAA: Won’t that just fucking ruin your BU that’s already dying on 6 day weeks?
NATCA: Absolutely. But this is the new NATCA and we’re gonna pander to Reddit cuz that’s how you win elections ‘round here.
FAA: How many unique users have ERRs?
NATCA: 700
FAA: And what would that grow to with no release policy?
NATCA: Nobody knows.
FAA: Even if we low ball it to 1000, I can’t tell Duffy I just took an 11000 controller NAS and made it 10. I’ll get fired and so will he.
NATCA: Yeah it’s full ****** but let’s LeRoy Jenkins this bitch.

At the very least they would need a cap. And with a cap comes a priority. And with a priority they’d cross off every single 4-9 from selecting cuz it’s less impact on the NAS and every single Z cuz you can fill them with AGs. There’s more vacancies at the terminal 10-12s then you can even fill.
And without a release policy all the low level NCEPT jailed up/down guys would be green but so would all the 10-12s. So the end result would just be all the 10-12s trading controllers and the low guys would still get fucked and CPC number would nose dive and nothing would get fixed.
They just need to hire 5000 people.

Bandit117 said:

And they were only able to do so with the explicit approval of natca. The union, not for the first time, has worked against the interests of its members by bending over and taking it up the poop chute and calling it collaboration.

Natca could cancel the ncept mou at anytime iirc. So could the faa. But they won’t, because they are gutless, spineless, scared little boys who deep down, know they have zero idea what they are doing

What are you talking about NCEPT does not place new hires. And the Agency has every right to do whatever they want with hiring. And this the exact problem that Jamal has been fixing but y’all’s hate that mf so make sure you don’t complain about the placement system from 2016-2025 that created this mess.

Move78 said:

Well yes but the reason they’ll hang up and laugh because your idea is fucking ********. And they’ll tell you the last 9 phone calls they got told them to fight against deviations.

What idea of mine are you referring to? You’re the one who said (twice) to call our respective RVP and press for staffing deviations, not me lmao 🤡

Move78 said:

I get it. You want no release policy to exist to even deviate from. The internet’s rallying cry.
It sounds like a great idea if you don’t know what you’re talking about. It can’t be done at a deficit. Entire facilities would crumble.
This conversation would never even get off the ground but this is how it would go:
NATCA: How’s bout no release policy?
FAA: Won’t that just fucking ruin your BU that’s already dying on 6 day weeks?
NATCA: Absolutely. But this is the new NATCA and we’re gonna pander to Reddit cuz that’s how you win elections ‘round here.
FAA: How many unique users have ERRs?
NATCA: 700
FAA: And what would that grow to with no release policy?
NATCA: Nobody knows.
FAA: Even if we low ball it to 1000, I can’t tell Duffy I just took an 11000 controller NAS and made it 10. I’ll get fired and so will he.
NATCA: Yeah it’s full ****** but let’s LeRoy Jenkins this bitch.

At the very least they would need a cap. And with a cap comes a priority. And with a priority they’d cross off every single 4-9 from selecting cuz it’s less impact on the NAS and every single Z cuz you can fill them with AGs. There’s more vacancies at the terminal 10-12s then you can even fill.
And without a release policy all the low level NCEPT jailed up/down guys would be green but so would all the 10-12s. So the end result would just be all the 10-12s trading controllers and the low guys would still get fucked and CPC number would nose dive and nothing would get fixed.
They just need to hire 5000 people.

We are in this scenario by trying to game the system in the first place. Real local hiring and real incentives need to be offered to get people to work at more places. Bending over for them to help them with staffing is exactly how we got into this mess

If I apply for something I can get hired and the FAA can immediately offer to TDY me back and start paying per diem if they can’t figure out staffing. Stop doing their job for them. Plus the FAA controls job openings. It’s not like they need to offer 1000 openings at DFW on the first day

32andBelow said:

We are in this scenario by trying to game the system in the first place. Real local hiring and real incentives need to be offered to get people to work at more places. Bending over for them to help them with staffing is exactly how we got into this mess

If I apply for something I can get hired and the FAA can immediately offer to TDY me back and start paying per diem if they can’t figure out staffing. Stop doing their job for them. Plus the FAA controls job openings. It’s not like they need to offer 1000 openings at DFW on the first day

What incentive do they have to staff places anyway? They've been getting by with places like D10, A80, and NCT staffed at 70% cpc staffing forever. N90 was surviving at 55%. They don't care until the operation starts to affect the airlines bottom line. Then the incentives come along. But for now, just opening up priority bid to A80 attracted 50+ ERR's from people willing to move from their facilities for free. If things get bad enough at other places, they'll probably do the same for them. But offering money is going to be a last resort reserved only for when shit starts breaking.

Acquired Taste said:

What incentive do they have to staff places anyway? They've been getting by with places like D10, A80, and NCT staffed at 70% cpc staffing forever. N90 was surviving at 55%. They don't care until the operation starts to affect the airlines bottom line. Then the incentives come along. But for now, just opening up priority bid to A80 attracted 50+ ERR's from people willing to move from their facilities for free. If things get bad enough at other places, they'll probably do the same for them. But offering money is going to be a last resort reserved only for when shit starts breaking.

They don’t have to incentive anything cus we agreeded to this insane system instead of letting the free market work. In a normal system you’d have ATMs begging us to come help them out.

SquawkHijack said:

What idea of mine are you referring to? You’re the one who said (twice) to call our respective RVP and press for staffing deviations, not me lmao 🤡

You’re complaining on a message board that you can’t get promoted. It’s obviously everyone else’s fault except yours so you should try and get them to change the staffing MOUs.

32andBelow said:

We are in this scenario by trying to game the system in the first place. Real local hiring and real incentives need to be offered to get people to work at more places. Bending over for them to help them with staffing is exactly how we got into this mess

Local hiring would just solve everything. There must be some legal horseshit involved.

32andBelow said:

If I apply for something I can get hired and the FAA can immediately offer to TDY me back and start paying per diem if they can’t figure out staffing.

Why would the FAA ever do this

Move78 said:

Local hiring would just solve everything. There must be some legal horseshit involved.

Why would the FAA ever do this

They can do whatever the fuck they want to staff the positions they want to fill. Not NATCAs job.

Move78 said:

Well yes you do need data to prove a point on data. And it’s possible they have cut back. But there’s 2 points here. 1: you don’t know that you’re just assuming. 2: it’s possible you’re just not getting that soup job because you suck

Since when is sucking a disqualifier?

KP-ATC said:

Since when is sucking a disqualifier?

I think he meant you didn't suck enough to be a supe.

Acquired Taste said:

What incentive do they have to staff places anyway? They've been getting by with places like D10, A80, and NCT staffed at 70% cpc staffing forever. N90 was surviving at 55%. They don't care until the operation starts to affect the airlines bottom line. Then the incentives come along. But for now, just opening up priority bid to A80 attracted 50+ ERR's from people willing to move from their facilities for free. If things get bad enough at other places, they'll probably do the same for them. But offering money is going to be a last resort reserved only for when shit starts breaking.

DCA proved that things are already shattered. No one who has eyes can argue the NAS isn’t already broken. It’s just the broken pieces haven’t moved too far apart yet. But that’s coming. They will hire 8000 ATC by 2030 and end up with 1000 more CPCs than they have now. That’s what, 3 per facility basically?

Move78 said:

You’re complaining on a message board that you can’t get promoted. It’s obviously everyone else’s fault except yours so you should try and get them to change the staffing MOUs.

I’m not complaining that I can’t get promoted. I’m complaining that I can’t move facilities and conversely make more money because the labor union that’s supposed to represent me and literally advocate for these things is a cult full of a bunch of stupid motherfuckers like you and manage to screw everything up that they put their hands on.

And you can quit with your anecdotal straw-man argument that I’m ranting “on a message board.” You’re in here too, arguably more and longer than I’ve been. Go be a *** somewhere else.

We’ve reached stuckmic levels of depravity. Who is making the next website?

CF said:

We’ve reached stuckmic levels of depravity. Who is making the next website?

Today’s trainees haven’t even heard of stuckmic. Feel old yet

I remember when I was the second biggest troll now im in like tenth place gonna have to do something juicy soon

MJ doesn’t care about the site anymore. Basically never see him at all these days. And pretty sure all the moderators quit. It’s just unmitigated endless trolling these days. Reddit’s actually better now.

Phillytroll69 said:

I remember when I was the second biggest troll now im in like tenth place gonna have to do something juicy soon

People hardly till me to kill myself anymore. I must be losing my touch

Move78 said:

Desirable is completely subjective but MCI is the 46th most requested facility.
You’d complain about a wet dream.

Okay and looking at many past PPTs, MCIs staffing hasn’t been below the high 80% to target range for a long time. Aka just about everyone that’s been there seems to want to stay there even though they can release, making it a good facility (my original point). Hell, somebody was there and went to Denver tower and is literally going back (also my original point).

This is the problem with you spewing your diarrhea in here all the time. You only consider partial data/factors to fit your narrative because you think you’re some big somebody. When in reality you’re just an abrasive, argumentative NCEPT rep and a 2001 google search image of a douchebag.

ClearanceClarence said:

MJ doesn’t care about the site anymore. Basically never see him at all these days. And pretty sure all the moderators quit. It’s just unmitigated endless trolling these days. Reddit’s actually better now.

You sound “woke.”