Enroute Class pass rate

JulietWhiskey0314 said:

any tips? I got my in-person class date in October.

Literally just show up; it’s not that hard. The failure rate is high because the FAA has no hiring standards.

FredSmoot said:

Literally just show up; it’s not that hard. The failure rate is high because the FAA has no hiring standards.

I wouldn't necessarily say it's not hard, because it is. This will easily be the hardest thing most people do. But, it is designed for everyone to pass.

There are only two things you need to know. What to do, and when to do it.

Hope said:

8/2 Enroute List

ZLA
ZDC
ZME
ZAU
ZID
ZID
ZOB
ZBW
ZMA
ZTL
ZBW
ZMA
ZAB
ZKC

ALTs
ZNY
ZNY
ZAN
ZAN
ZSU
ZSU

From the ATC New Hiring Discord

Class went 8/15

Hope said:

Class went 8/15

Solving the staffing crisis 8/15 at a time. Nice!

jfol said:

Solving the staffing crisis 8/15 at a time. Nice!

I mean, that’s pretty on par with the historical pass rate. The problem isn’t how many people pass, it’s how many people overall they can process through OKC.

ClearanceClarence said:

I mean, that’s pretty on par with the historical pass rate. The problem isn’t how many people pass, it’s how many people overall they can process through OKC.

Plus all those peasant high school graduates, amirite 32?

Mike Kilo said:

Plus all those peasant high school graduates, amirite 32?

Insane idea here but-considering 25-40% is a ‘normal‘ fail rate, this after weeks of academy resources/time, look at better up front screening/hiring

Motodog said:

Insane idea here but-considering 25-40% is a ‘normal‘ fail rate, this after weeks of academy resources/time, look at better up front screening/hiring

Exactly. The academy costs hundreds of thousands of $$ per person. I think the most recent figure was north of $250,000 last year. All that to fail 50% as normal?

Their stated goal is to have sub-50% pass rate. Ironically enough, at one of the most desirable facilities in the NAS, we get the “best of” the trainees and quality has been dwindling.

Sounds harsh but it’s true.

Someone from the ATC New Hiring Discord has generously been documenting the eval fail rates for enroute, and the average eval pass rate is at 71% this year if you include the most recent class.

No class this year has had more than a 50% fail rate.

If you all would like to take a look, here it is: Finals pass rate

30% failing the academy + 10-40% washing out of training plus another few quitting at various stages doesn't leave much meat on the bone. Our area has been struggling to keep our heads above water, everytime we finally get a good trainee who checks out, someone retires, goes on medical leave, details, take a supe job, hardships out, or just straight up quits... we just had a D3 quit to go all in on his garage-door install side hustle (9-5 M-F gig expecting to clear $150k his first year).

8/9 Enroute List

ZDC
ZLA
ZAU
ZOB
ZTL
ZTL
ZMA
ZBW
ZMA
ZAB
ZHU
ZLA
ZDC
ZME

ALTs
ZNY
ZNY
ZAN
ZAN
ZSU
ZSU

From the ATC New Hiring Discord

Hope said:

8/9 Enroute List

ZDC
ZLA
ZAU
ZOB
ZTL
ZTL
ZMA
ZBW
ZMA
ZAB
ZHU
ZLA
ZDC
ZME

ALTs
ZNY
ZNY
ZAN
ZAN
ZSU
ZSU

From the ATC New Hiring Discord

Probably the best list in awhile. Very diverse locations

Hope said:

8/9 Enroute List

ZDC
ZLA
ZAU
ZOB
ZTL
ZTL
ZMA
ZBW
ZMA
ZAB
ZHU
ZLA
ZDC
ZME

ALTs
ZNY
ZNY
ZAN
ZAN
ZSU
ZSU

From the ATC New Hiring Discord

FlightOfTheShortGuy said:

Probably the best list in awhile. Very diverse locations

I saw ZHU and was like "!"

Hope said:

8/9 Enroute List

ZDC
ZLA
ZAU
ZOB
ZTL
ZTL
ZMA
ZBW
ZMA
ZAB
ZHU
ZLA
ZDC
ZME

ALTs
ZNY
ZNY
ZAN
ZAN
ZSU
ZSU

From the ATC New Hiring Discord

Can’t believe there’s a ZHU slot. Haven’t seen one on this list in a good while.

I’m still in the hiring process right now, so I don’t fully understand how this all works but, if you get selected for Enroute on your FOL can you also end up working at a TRACON? I’m asking because I don’t think I’ve ever seen a “TRACON class pass rate” post and I seem to only see Enroute centers listed here.

jalbert97 said:

I’m still in the hiring process right now, so I don’t fully understand how this all works but, if you get selected for Enroute on your FOL can you also end up working at a TRACON? I’m asking because I don’t think I’ve ever seen a “TRACON class pass rate” post and I seem to only see Enroute centers listed here.

I'm at the same stage as you right now but I believe TRACON is on the terminal side and you can get there through working at an up-down then transferring to a stand alone TRACON facility such as PCT. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

JulietWhiskey0314 said:

I'm at the same stage as you right now but I believe TRACON is on the terminal side and you can get there through working at an up-down then transferring to a stand alone TRACON facility such as PCT. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

TRACON is terminal but it's called TETRA and it's N90 only

There are two categories of ATC facility: Enroute and Terminal. (Three if you count FSS, which sadly for them we don't.)

Within Terminal there are standalone towers, "up/down" combined tower/TRACONs, and standalone TRACONs.

A long time ago they used to place new off-the-street hires in standalone TRACONs. Then they didn't. Now they do, but as AB19 said, only for N90. And you would know if you were assigned N90.

So the only way to get to a radar-only facility is to be assigned Enroute, or go to a tower or up/down and ERR out.

Termine said:

There are two categories of ATC facility: Enroute and Terminal. (Three if you count FSS, which sadly for them we don't.)

Within Terminal there are standalone towers, "up/down" combined tower/TRACONs, and standalone TRACONs.

A long time ago they used to place new off-the-street hires in standalone TRACONs. Then they didn't. Now they do, but as AB19 said, only for N90. And you would know if you were assigned N90.

So the only way to get to a radar-only facility is to be assigned Enroute, or go to a tower or up/down and ERR out.

Oh ok. That makes more sense. I always thought Enroute meant you would be assigned to a dedicated radar facility, whether it be a TRACON or ARTCC. Thank you for the info!