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GulfCharlie said:

You either have the ability / capacity to do the job or you do not. No one discriminates referencing the past or present to my knowledge. As long as you can do the job no one cares gender/preference/etc…

Was it around 2015 when Obama forced the FAA to move away from merit based hiring criteria in the name of diversity?

Motodog said:

Was it around 2015 when Obama forced the FAA to move away from merit based hiring criteria in the name of diversity?

13/14. The criteria at the time (correct me if I am wrong) consisted of VRA/OTS/CTO/CTI. That was not discrimination, the discrimination came into play with the Bio-Q and the NBCFAE that gave the answers to only their members.

Motodog said:

Was it around 2015 when Obama forced the FAA to move away from merit based hiring criteria in the name of diversity?

Curious to what you mean by "merit based"?
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GulfCharlie said:

You either have the ability / capacity to do the job or you do not. No one discriminates referencing the past or present to my knowledge. As long as you can do the job no one cares gender/preference/etc…

Someone from AUS would like to have a word with you

bomber996 said:

Curious to what you mean by "merit based"?
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Maybe an example would explain it better than I could. United opened their new pilot training academy. Their publicly stated goal is to base hiring, not on ‘merit’, but predominately on students that are women or people of color. Pretty sure most would say who cares about an applicant’s race, gender etc, just hire the best qualified people. Not sure that is what’s happening here

RalphBeast said:

Someone from AUS would like to have a word with you

Haha, I would believe him as much as I would believe Putin. When you push false narratives and maintain a victim mentality for so long people just stop listening and believing you.

Motodog said:

Maybe an example would explain it better than I could. United opened their new pilot training academy. Their publicly stated goal is to base hiring, not on ‘merit’, but predominately on students that are women or people of color. Pretty sure most would say who cares about an applicant’s race, gender etc, just hire the best qualified people. Not sure that is what’s happening here

The publicly stated goal is to have half (50%) of their new hires be women or people of color. It's a goal, not a rule. If they can't find that they're not going to stop hiring pilots. They still have to have the requisite time. They still have to pass the requisite training.

Again, what "merit" was the FAA using before the 2014 bid? I get that the Bio-Q was wildly biased. It has rightfully been gotten rid of.

Your theory is flawed.

bomber996 said:

The publicly stated goal is to have half (50%) of their new hires be women or people of color. It's a goal, not a rule. If they can't find that they're not going to stop hiring pilots. They still have to have the requisite time. They still have to pass the requisite training.

Again, what "merit" was the FAA using before the 2014 bid? I get that the Bio-Q was wildly biased. It has rightfully been gotten rid of.

Your theory is flawed.

Here's a concept you won't understand but at least I'll be able to say I tried. This concept is true for any field, and applies to hiring goals based on race as well.

Your theory is the one that is flawed.

youtube.com/watch?v=-i5YrgqF9Gg

bomber996 said:

The publicly stated goal is to have half (50%) of their new hires be women or people of color. It's a goal, not a rule. If they can't find that they're not going to stop hiring pilots. They still have to have the requisite time. They still have to pass the requisite training.

Again, what "merit" was the FAA using before the 2014 bid? I get that the Bio-Q was wildly biased. It has rightfully been gotten rid of.

Your theory is flawed.

United first academy class created for DEI, was 85% in this category. That means that more experienced/qualified pilots were turned away. As a minority myself, I just find this insulting, that I can’t get hired on my own without special quotas inserted. I’m sure you‘ve heard the expression-the soft bigotry of low expectations?

Still trying to figure out what merit the FAA hired under before 2014. I'll wait.

bomber996 said:

Still trying to figure out what merit the FAA hired under before 2014. I'll wait.

Somebody is in denial…😉

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From the ATC New Hiring Discord

Hope said:

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Hope said:

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Class went 15/18

Hope said:

Class went 15/18

Sounds like they applied themselves indivually as well as collectively

Hope said:

Class went 15/18

First couple guys are gonna get some great choices.

jamesatc said:

Sounds like they applied themselves indivually as well as collectively

recipe for success. I saw ZHU being offered again recently. Any from the discord know if that's been getting taken quick from lists?

JulietWhiskey0314 said:

recipe for success. I saw ZHU being offered again recently. Any from the discord know if that's been getting taken quick from lists?

ZHU is one of the first to always go. The high COLA percentage is an easy sale.

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From the ATC New Hiring Discord