We had this exact same argument months ago when the last change to placement was made (facilities no longer falling off lists due to failures). Are you on the NATCA email list? They take credit and pat themselves on the back for ANYTHING even remotely positive that they are involved in - on any level.
So you’re saying they were involved in not one, but two of the most significant positive changes to Academy placement in decades, but just decided not to mention it to membership? Anywhere? Even once? Right in the middle of a national election cycle?
This time around, do care to provide any evidence or even a rational counter-argument that NATCA did play a part in this decision, or just are you just going to stick with your childish “yOu HaVe No IdEa WhAt YoU’rE tAlKiNg AbOuT” statement? Prove me wrong and I’ll gladly admit I am.
The difference is I know you just made up out of thin air that the NATCA wasn’t involved in any way. Because you have no information whatsoever to support it. You’re just pretending to post facts and you should be shamed for your bullshit.
I also know that NATCAs leadership has had a million conversations with the agency about placement.
Im also not claiming this iteration was specifically NATCAs idea. Because I don’t pretend to know things I don’t know. And there’s a fuckton of shit that goes on behind the scenes that aren’t in nationwide emails.
The difference is I know you just made up out of thin air that the NATCA wasn’t involved in any way. Because you have no information whatsoever to support it. You’re just pretending to post facts and you should be shamed for your bullshit.
I also know that NATCAs leadership has had a million conversations with the agency about placement.
Im also not claiming this iteration was specifically NATCAs idea. Because I don’t pretend to know things I don’t know. And there’s a fuckton of shit that goes on behind the scenes that aren’t in nationwide emails.
It’s not pulled of thin air when NATCA takes credit for things they aren’t even responsible for (i.e. paid parental leave) but then don’t say shit about a major improvement to the hiring and placement process like this. The absence of standard operating procedures for an organization - like blasting out “News Alerts” for any ridiculous ‘accomplishment’ - IS evidence. You’re a fucking blind idiot if you believe they were involved in this and wouldn’t say something about it. This isn’t insignificant, like I stated, it’s one of the biggest changes to placement in decades. They wouldn’t just choose to gloss over it unless they cannot legitimately take credit for it. It takes minutes to send out one of their self-promoting emails or make a social media post. They aren’t doing it because they can’t. You say I’m pulling it out of thin air, but your counter argument is exactly that. You have no evidence to the contrary that NATCA made this happen. GTFO with that shit.
It’s not pulled of thin air when NATCA takes credit for things they aren’t even responsible for (i.e. paid parental leave) but then don’t say shit about a major improvement to the hiring and placement process like this.
The absence of standard operating procedures for an organization - like blasting out “News Alerts” for any ridiculous ‘accomplishment’ - IS evidence. You’re a fucking blind idiot if you believe they were involved in this and wouldn’t say something about it.
The union does not set new hire placement policy. Its management rights.
This isn’t insignificant, like I stated, it’s one of the biggest changes to placement in decades. They wouldn’t just choose to gloss over it unless they cannot legitimately take credit for it. It takes minutes to send out one of their self-promoting emails or make a social media post. They aren’t doing it because they can’t. You say I’m pulling it out of thin air, but your counter argument is exactly that. You have no evidence to the contrary that NATCA made this happen. GTFO with that shit.
Again. An oblivious blow hard. You know nothing about this in any way. You’ve typed 1000 words on this subject with 0 information. All you had to say was “in my completely isolated uninformed opinion, that no one should ever read, I don’t think NATCA has engaged the agency on placements.” And you woulda got no pushback because it woulda been an honest post.
So this thread and the accompanying Terminal thread are going to morph to a, "what did these lucky SOBs choose," thread. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy for these folks that most of them will get to go where they want. This is awesome. It's been much needed for a long time.
Seeing the selections will be really interesting under this new system. Aside from ZDV, none of these facilities would have been considered "prime" under the old system. Even one volunteer to ZOA. Just goes to show how f****g stupid the original process was. I really feel for the guys that had to select crappy locations ~6 months ago when facilities were still dropping off the list depending on how many passed, and are now stuck while AGs have the option to go just about anywhere.
I agree. It sucks for people already in, but long term, this is a great move that should have an effect on morale. Increasing the odds that someone ends up somewhere they want to be right out of the gate will increase trainee motivation, cut down on hardship/NEST scams, decrease the number of ERR submissions, and reduce resignations.
People being forced to locations they’re miserable in out of the Academy has been one of the biggest issues. It’s funny (and sad) that the agency realized this and is taking steps to address it on their own with no advocacy from NATCA. Our union is basically worthless these days.
I've ranted on this several times, but this is ESPECIALLY true in Enroute, where there's no level hopping. A Z is meant to be a one-stop newbie-to-retirement shop. They are literally set up that way. You even get level 11 or 12 pay your entire career.
This goes a very long way to solving the issue long-term.
I've ranted on this several times, but this is ESPECIALLY true in Enroute, where there's no level hopping. A Z is meant to be a one-stop newbie-to-retirement shop. They are literally set up that way. You even get level 11 or 12 pay your entire career.
This goes a very long way to solving the issue long-term.
The real power of Z’s before NCEPT and the train wreck of nobody transferring from any facility of any significance was you could check out and ERR out to your dream tower at the top of the payband in a low cost of living area.
There was one class where someone from PNW settled for ZAU and then literally the next class someone from the Chicago area took ZSE because ZAU wasn't on his list. Can't make this s**t up. This was a less extreme example since those aren't undesirable glue traps like ZOA or ZNY but in a perfect world, if they could eventually swap, the total training time is so much higher than it needs to be.
There was another similar situation where multiple people literally quit at the placement office because ZNY was their only choice at the bottom of their list, and the very next class had people volunteering for ZNY. Fucking waste of money and everyone's time because of the dumb ass placement procedures.
Wow... no 2xZHU 2xZFW 2xZDV each class? Volunteers to ZOA and/or ZLA every single class? I'm shocked:rolleyes: ...
Wait, no I'm not.
Right? How could they have known that people from big population centers would apply for this job? Almost like people from Memphis and Cleveland want to be in fucking Memphis and Cleveland?
