PushingTin said:when are the ARTCC's getting downgraded again? Asking for a friend.
It’s impossible to ever upgrade or downgrade a center again, no technology or tool exists in the world that can accurately measure the traffic count they say. Even though we had the technology to put a guy in the moon fifty years ago this summer. And had the technology to build a fucking nuclear bomb 25 years prior to that.
FightingIrish2012 said:It’s impossible to ever upgrade or downgrade a center again, no technology or tool exists in the world that can accurately measure the traffic count they say. Even though we had the technology to put a guy in the moon fifty years ago this summer. And had the technology to build a fucking nuclear bomb 25 years prior to that.
ABACUS will fix the enroute traffic CI debacle. Sometime between late 2020 and infinite. Allegedly.
That would be funny if it turns out all the centers are 12s lol
ATCNOMAD said:That would be funny if it turns out all the centers are 12s lol
Or several get downgraded to 10... 8)
Consolidate or die?
PushingTin said:when are the ARTCC's getting downgraded again? Asking for a friend.
Why do you want the agency to take people’s money? Good looking out “brother”
CaptainObvious said:Why do you want the agency to take people’s money? Good looking out “brother”
I want fair & equitable brutha. Maybe that goes against some one liner you saw on a poster in your local NATCA office. Keep circling the wagon, and telling the rest of the peasants who got savaged by downgrades to hold yer beer. No wait, I mean, solidarity for all! Even if it means being a 2nd or 3rd class citizen. As long as the NEB is proud and can keep burying their heads in the sand posting about social justice and identity politics on their Facebook and twitter. As NCEPT burns and the downgrades only affect the plebeians. Fraternally!
CaptainObvious said:Why do you want the agency to take people’s money? Good looking out “brother”
Go check yourself Captain, you support this but you are probably also a die hard Bernie supporter outside of work. These downgrades disproportionately effect the bottom of the pay bands, I’m sure tour sitting pretty in a center TMU job someplace and say “let um eat cake”. By your political logic we should average all the bands 4 through 12 and pay that to everyone #feeldaburn
PushingTin said:when are the ARTCC's getting downgraded again? Asking for a friend.
Plenty of terminal facilities spent years in the red before getting downgraded. That's all available information displayed in the aap portal. The starkest difference actually so far is when a terminal facility goes green for 3 months they start the upgrade process and the enroute facilities due for an upgrade have been SOL for years. But hey that doesn't fit your narrative does it.
Move78 said:But hey that doesn't fit your narrative does it.
Tower and Tracon controllers have not been treated the same as Center controllers when it comes specifically to downgrades. Which fits the narrative, because it is the narrative.
That said, If someone has not been subjected to the same severe austerity measures, its reasonable that they would be defensive about any implication of the relative unfairness of that. So I understand the pushback :yay:
Let us keep this thread on topic ??
Sooo...what levels are we betting on for those Michigan up/downs?
PushingTin said:Tower and Tracon controllers have not been treated the same as Center controllers when it comes specifically to downgrades. Which fits the narrative, because it is the narrative.
That said, If someone has not been subjected to the same severe austerity measures, its reasonable that they would be defensive about any implication of the relative unfairness of that. So I understand the pushback :yay:
We save pay in a downgrade. There are 500-700 controllers that missed out on a 6% raise, to be compiled upon, for years now. Costing the membership a boatload is lost wages. But when you're wishing a perceived hardship to be shared you're not very interested in the collective I guess.
Foogy said:Sooo...what levels are we betting on for those Michigan up/downs?
All the towers are going to be 4’s except for GRR which will be a 5. AZO will go up one level for sure, maybe two, that is the one big question.
Move78 said:But when you're wishing a perceived hardship to be shared you're not very interested in the collective I guess.
im interested in fair and equitable for the collective
FightingIrish2012 said:All the towers are going to be 4’s except for GRR which will be a 5. AZO will go up one level for sure, maybe two, that is the one big question.
AZO might be the new hot place to be. You gonna put your paperwork in?
PushingTin said:im interested in fair and equitable for the collective
AZO might be the new hot place to be. You gonna put your paperwork in?
AZO about to steal PCT’s name as being called “the nation’s TRACON”.
FightingIrish2012 said:Go check yourself Captain, you support this but you are probably also a die hard Bernie supporter outside of work. These downgrades disproportionately effect the bottom of the pay bands, I’m sure tour sitting pretty in a center TMU job someplace and say “let um eat cake”. By your political logic we should average all the bands 4 through 12 and pay that to everyone #feeldaburn
What? What does political support of a candidate have to do with anything. Nice assumptions though, from a small facility and transferred to a big one to actually work traffic.
PushingTin said:I want fair & equitable brutha. Maybe that goes against some one liner you saw on a poster in your local NATCA office. Keep circling the wagon, and telling the rest of the peasants who got savaged by downgrades to hold yer beer. No wait, I mean, solidarity for all! Even if it means being a 2nd or 3rd class citizen. As long as the NEB is proud and can keep burying their heads in the sand posting about social justice and identity politics on their Facebook and twitter. As NCEPT burns and the downgrades only affect the plebeians. Fraternally!
I came from a facility that got downgraded. But cheers! Thanks for assuming
Foogy said:Sooo...what levels are we betting on for those Michigan up/downs?
RE: The AZO Tracon:
I'm at CMH it was a 9. got consolidated with DAY it was an 8. We got downgraded to an 8. so a level9+Level8=LEVEL 8. Watch out.......
Any more facility upgrades expected in the near future?
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