FY25 5.2% raise proposed

[Wizard]

$9-$12 an hour is certainly what it feels like with all our deductions

Im sure McDonald’s is hiring

 

[ATC Zero]

Nothing like inflation projections being around 3% for 2024 and getting a 2% raise!!!

Thanks NATCA! Enjoy the overall .6 % raise baby!

 

[CHALUPE71]

Blame this on the debt ceiling deal of 2023. Expect the same or less next year.

 

[32andBelow]

Blame this on the debt ceiling deal of 2023. Expect the same or less next year.

The republicans already threw that deal away it’s dead. If they followed that deal we wouldn’t be in a CR rn

 

[Phillytroll69]

The republicans already threw that deal away it’s dead. If they followed that deal we wouldn’t be in a CR rn

what were average raises during trump and biden's presidencies?

https://www.federalpay.org/gs/raises

2023	4.60%	Biden
2022	2.20%	Biden
2021	1.00%	Biden
2020	2.60%	Trump
2019	1.40%	Trump
2018	1.40%	Trump
2017	1.00%	Trump
2016	1.00%	Obama
2015	1.00%	Obama
2014	1.00%	Obama
2013	0.00%	Obama
2012	0.00%	Obama
2011	0.00%	Obama
2010	1.50%	Obama
2009	2.90%	Obama
2008	2.50%	Bush
2007	1.70%	Bush
2006	2.10%	Bush
2005	2.50%	Bush
2004	2.70%	Bush
2003	3.10%	Bush
2002	3.60%	Bush
2001	2.70%	Bush
2000	3.80%	Clinton
1999	3.10%	Clinton
1998	2.30%	Clinton
1997	2.30%	Clinton
1996	2.00%	Clinton

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Looks like Obama fucked us.

 

[32andBelow]

Looks like Obama fucked us.

That’s as cus of sequestration. The real cause of todays staffing issues

 

[ClearanceClarence]

That’s as cus of sequestration. The real cause of todays staffing issues

Wasn’t sequestration in 2013? What about 2009-2012?

Either way, still baffles my mind that Biden freely decided to give us our biggest raise in 30 years and NATCA refused to negotiate a contract with his administration. Probably would have ended up with the most controller friendly contract in history.

 

[DankVectorz]

Wasn’t sequestration in 2013? What about 2009-2012?

There was a federal pay freeze passed by congress in 2011-2013. Obama tried to overturn it in 2012 but it didn’t pass. As for 2009-2010, well, Great Recession. Those were also prime Tea Party years where federal employees were the enemy.

 

[Phillytroll69]

There was a federal pay freeze passed by congress in 2011-2013. Obama tried to overturn it in 2012 but it didn’t pass. As for 2009-2010, well, Great Recession. Those were also prime Tea Party years where federal employees were the enemy.

But I'm sure the right definitely won't do it this time, again, again

 

[blarg]

There was a federal pay freeze passed by congress in 2011-2013. Obama tried to overturn it in 2012 but it didn’t pass. As for 2009-2010, well, Great Recession. Those were also prime Tea Party years where federal employees were the enemy.

It wasn't entirely congress. I specifically remember at least one of those years Obama saying since lots of people were hurting because of the economy he wasn't going to give us a raise, either. Fuck off with that bullshit reason.

 

[KP-ATC]

Wasn’t sequestration in 2013? What about 2009-2012?

Either way, still baffles my mind that Biden freely decided to give us our biggest raise in 30 years and NATCA refused to negotiate a contract with his administration. Probably would have ended up with the most controller friendly contract in history.

Biggest raise? Compare the raise numbers with the corresponding inflation numbers.

 

[D-Dub]

Looks like Obama fucked us.

Nah uh! He gave us Obamacare!

 

[32andBelow]

Biden put in more taxes for private jets. Very based

 

[SquawkHijack]

what were average raises during trump and biden's presidencies?

https://www.federalpay.org/gs/raises

2023	4.60%	Biden
2022	2.20%	Biden
2021	1.00%	Biden
2020	2.60%	Trump
2019	1.40%	Trump
2018	1.40%	Trump
2017	1.00%	Trump
2016	1.00%	Obama
2015	1.00%	Obama
2014	1.00%	Obama
2013	0.00%	Obama
2012	0.00%	Obama
2011	0.00%	Obama
2010	1.50%	Obama
2009	2.90%	Obama
2008	2.50%	Bush
2007	1.70%	Bush
2006	2.10%	Bush
2005	2.50%	Bush
2004	2.70%	Bush
2003	3.10%	Bush
2002	3.60%	Bush
2001	2.70%	Bush
2000	3.80%	Clinton
1999	3.10%	Clinton
1998	2.30%	Clinton
1997	2.30%	Clinton
1996	2.00%	Clinton

Something you Biden-humpers never seem to bring up are pay raises RELATIVE to inflation…

According to the data you cited, pay raises still look pretty damn good across the board all things considered. You’re seeing a “historic” spike with the current administration because they have to throw us a bone so they don’t look bad. Imagine running the country, being in the spotlight for record inflation and giving dismal raises to federal employees so they continue struggling.

Fed raises are somewhat carefully adjusted based on several economic factors. Presidents don’t just pull them out of their ass for proposal. The exception being the Congress/Senate, their raises are typically buried in the pork section of a bill and voted in.

Biden put in more taxes for private jets. Very based.

Biden is CURRENTLY proposing more taxes for FUEL for private jets, which is a null move. 1. Because he hasn’t gotten it done like you claim. 2. Corporations get to write all those expenses off for tax season anyway. See the game that got played there?

 

[DankVectorz]

It wasn't entirely congress. I specifically remember at least one of those years Obama saying since lots of people were hurting because of the economy he wasn't going to give us a raise, either. Fuck off with that bullshit reason.

Maybe 09 or 10, but not in 11-13. It’s easy to verify there was a congressional mandated federal pay freeze in 2011-13. No need to get your panties in a twist cause it doesn’t match your narrative. And 2009 saw negative inflation, so if it was then it would make perfect sense with the time.

 

[32andBelow]

Biden is CURRENTLY proposing more taxes for FUEL for private jets, which is a null move. 1. Because he hasn’t gotten it done like you claim. 2. Corporations get to write all those expenses off for tax season anyway. See the game that got played there?

We are talking about his budget rn. He but this in the budget. Sorry it didn’t make sense

Maybe they will write it off but it’s more money in the aviation fund. Biz jets are 7% of traffic but pay 1% of the taxes.

 

[blarg]

Maybe 09 or 10, but not in 11-13. It’s easy to verify there was a congressional mandated federal pay freeze in 2011-13. No need to get your panties in a twist cause it doesn’t match your narrative. And 2009 saw negative inflation, so if it was then it would make perfect sense with the time.

It's not my "narrative", I remember it happening. Whether the pay freezes were congressionally mandated or not, he was on board with it. Or at least one of them.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Something you Biden-humpers never seem to bring up are pay raises RELATIVE to inflation…

According to the data you cited, pay raises still look pretty damn good across the board all things considered. You’re seeing a “historic” spike with the current administration because they have to throw us a bone so they don’t look bad. Imagine running the country, being in the spotlight for record inflation and giving dismal raises to federal employees so they continue struggling.

Fed raises are somewhat carefully adjusted based on several economic factors. Presidents don’t just pull them out of their ass for proposal. The exception being the Congress/Senate, their raises are typically buried in the pork section of a bill and voted in.

While partially true, the historic inflation was when the bipartisan relief bill injected record amounts of money into the economy, twice. Whomever is elected will have to make a year one plan.

Huge growth in the wealth gap but I got my 1200

 

[DADDYSbabyBIRD]

While partially true, the historic inflation was when the bipartisan relief bill injected record amounts of money into the economy, twice. Whomever is elected will have to make a year one plan.

Huge growth in the wealth gap but I got my 1200

So if massive government spending caused the inflation... why would more government spending cause it to slow down? I honestly feel like that's Bidens plan.