Government Shutdown - March Edition

Dr. Rumack said:

and it sure won’t pay the bills.

you know what also isn’t paying the bills right now? Showing up at my job. You know what is actively increasing my bills? Showing up at my job.

Dr. Rumack said:

What’s the alternative—just quit? Take your ball and go home? Or keep showing up like the professionals you say you are? If this job really matters as much as you claim, then prove it. Show up. Do the work. Hold the line. Because responsibility doesn’t disappear just because things aren’t perfect or fair.

And you know what else doesn’t disappear? Daycare costs. Mortgage payments. Student loans. Car payments. Groceries. Utilities. All of it keeps coming, paycheck or no paycheck. So yeah, I’m frustrated that we’re still missing checks for work that should’ve been paid out by the second Tuesday after the pay period—but walking away doesn’t fix that, and it sure won’t pay the bills.

What is this “prove it” shit? Since when do we have an obligation to prove anything? Our obligation is to do our jobs in exchange for pay. That’s the deal. Work in exchange for a damn paycheck like any other job. We are not a charity organization. I’m not a Jesuit priest and took no vow of poverty.

Dr. Rumack said:

You can’t have it both ways. Controllers love to talk about how critical and high-stress their job is, how thousands of lives depend on them every day—and that’s true. But then, in the same breath, some want to say it’s perfectly fine to just bang out, call in sick, or sit it out when things don’t go their way. Which is it? Is this a vital responsibility or just another 9–5 you can walk away from when it’s inconvenient?

Nobody is saying a missed paycheck doesn’t hurt. Everyone feels it. But this idea that “I can afford to miss a few checks, so it’s no big deal,” or that showing up is optional because it’s unfair—you’re missing the point. The flying public doesn’t get to pause gravity because someone’s mad at payroll. The lives in those planes don’t get put on hold because you’re frustrated. You signed on to a mission-critical job, not a retail shift.

You say your job matters? Prove it. Show up. Do the work. Hold the line like the professionals you claim to be. Because if the job is as important as you say, then the responsibility doesn’t disappear just because things aren’t perfect.

So yeah—suck it up, do your part, and maybe save the speeches for after you’ve actually done the job you say no one else can do.

Dodges my main points, which I'll restate:

1. Assumes financial equality across the board: a convenient assumption that allows you to frame this as a minute inconvenience that we're throwing a tantrum over. It's as though you looked at the parent who failed to feed their kid one day, turned to the kid and said "suck it up, you'll get your food tomorrow".
2. The argument opens a path to make things worse. Our society has turned into the squeeze... how much can we be squeezed but still tolerate it all. 'They missed 2 paychecks but still showed up... hmm, what else are they willing to tolerate?' (Cough cough no raises cough cough).

To your last point about my speeches.... sorry, already done the job for well over a decade, and have already gone through one shutdown. I've earned my right to "speech" here.

Dr. Rumack said:

Sounds like you need new NATCA representation.

What an intensely stupid and unrelated statement. I assume, since your reading comprehension seems to be null, that you are simply trolling.

buffalochickenqueefadilla said:

What an intensely stupid and unrelated statement. I assume, since your reading comprehension seems to be null, that you are simply trolling.

Glad it wasn't just me wondering wtf that was about.

Dr. Rumack said:

You can’t have it both ways. Controllers love to talk about how critical and high-stress their job is, how thousands of lives depend on them every day—and that’s true. But then, in the same breath, some want to say it’s perfectly fine to just bang out, call in sick, or sit it out when things don’t go their way. Which is it? Is this a vital responsibility or just another 9–5 you can walk away from when it’s inconvenient?

Nobody is saying a missed paycheck doesn’t hurt. Everyone feels it. But this idea that “I can afford to miss a few checks, so it’s no big deal,” or that showing up is optional because it’s unfair—you’re missing the point. The flying public doesn’t get to pause gravity because someone’s mad at payroll. The lives in those planes don’t get put on hold because you’re frustrated. You signed on to a mission-critical job, not a retail shift.

You say your job matters? Prove it. Show up. Do the work. Hold the line like the professionals you claim to be. Because if the job is as important as you say, then the responsibility doesn’t disappear just because things aren’t perfect.

So yeah—suck it up, do your part, and maybe save the speeches for after you’ve actually done the job you say no one else can do.

Supe material

123atct said:

Supe material

Probably actually is a supe. That’s why he is begging for everyone to show up. He might have to plug in (😱) if we don’t

Dr. Rumack said:

What’s the alternative—just quit? Take your ball and go home? Or keep showing up like the professionals you say you are? If this job really matters as much as you claim, then prove it. Show up. Do the work. Hold the line. Because responsibility doesn’t disappear just because things aren’t perfect or fair.

And you know what else doesn’t disappear? Daycare costs. Mortgage payments. Student loans. Car payments. Groceries. Utilities. All of it keeps coming, paycheck or no paycheck. So yeah, I’m frustrated that we’re still missing checks for work that should’ve been paid out by the second Tuesday after the pay period—but walking away doesn’t fix that, and it sure won’t pay the bills.

Actually….not showing up is the one thing that will pressure the asshats in congress to pass either a CR or a budget. All that’s accomplished by going to work like nothing is happening is continue to enable those morons to stay at an impasse.

You sound like some sort of upper management asshole trying to peddle that moral high ground bullshit.

Dr. Rumack said:

You can’t have it both ways. Controllers love to talk about how critical and high-stress their job is, how thousands of lives depend on them every day—and that’s true. But then, in the same breath, some want to say it’s perfectly fine to just bang out, call in sick, or sit it out when things don’t go their way. Which is it? Is this a vital responsibility or just another 9–5 you can walk away from when it’s inconvenient?

Nobody is saying a missed paycheck doesn’t hurt. Everyone feels it. But this idea that “I can afford to miss a few checks, so it’s no big deal,” or that showing up is optional because it’s unfair—you’re missing the point. The flying public doesn’t get to pause gravity because someone’s mad at payroll. The lives in those planes don’t get put on hold because you’re frustrated. You signed on to a mission-critical job, not a retail shift.

You say your job matters? Prove it. Show up. Do the work. Hold the line like the professionals you claim to be. Because if the job is as important as you say, then the responsibility doesn’t disappear just because things aren’t perfect.

So yeah—suck it up, do your part, and maybe save the speeches for after you’ve actually done the job you say no one else can do.

Fuck you pay me.

Dr. Rumack said:

What’s the alternative—just quit? Take your ball and go home? Or keep showing up like the professionals you say you are? If this job really matters as much as you claim, then prove it. Show up. Do the work. Hold the line. Because responsibility doesn’t disappear just because things aren’t perfect or fair.

And you know what else doesn’t disappear? Daycare costs. Mortgage payments. Student loans. Car payments. Groceries. Utilities. All of it keeps coming, paycheck or no paycheck. So yeah, I’m frustrated that we’re still missing checks for work that should’ve been paid out by the second Tuesday after the pay period—but walking away doesn’t fix that, and it sure won’t pay the bills.

You know what the best way fed workers in an excepted status can show how critical they are? The fed unions should actively push for doing away with the terms "excepted" and *essential workers". No budget, no pay, no labor for IOUs.

Gov shutdown happens operations cease. No controllers in the facilities. Shut them down. No fed law enforcement. No border patrol on the TCPs at the borders. Shut down the nuke plants and send the fed workers home. No paid security/aides/drivers/etc for the people making bad decisions that put us here. Military goes on leave and anyone overseas gets recalled carriers get turned around.

Gonna be real hard for the dumbfucks on Hill to explain to thier voters why they cant fly anywhere, goods aren't arriving at stores because no highway safety inspectors for rhe trucks and why the state of Michigan has no power in November because the power plant is shut down.

Let that happen exactly one time and it'll never happen again, and it wont last for long if they allow it to happen at all. These shut downs happen and stretch on because it doesnt hurt enough people and at our base Americans are selfish and self centered.

So Ya, maybe walking away is the best option instead of "thank you daddy I'll keep working hard for you if you double super secret pinky swear you are doing your best to settle your fight with mommy and pay me my allowance".

buffalochickenqueefadilla said:

You sound like my teenager arguing points. These aren't mutually exclusive ideas. Why cant this be a vital job AND one we can walk away from? Why can't this job matter AND sometimes not want do it? Why can't controllers rant about the added stress of a shutdown AND decide not to take on additional workload during it?

Why do we suddenly need to prove our job matters? Is it not abundantly clear to you? If not, maybe you're in the wrong field.

Thank you for saying what I was thinking. That person is killing me.

DOD4Life said:

What is this “prove it” shit? Since when do we have an obligation to prove anything? Our obligation is to do our jobs in exchange for pay. That’s the deal. Work in exchange for a damn paycheck like any other job. We are not a charity organization. I’m not a Jesuit priest and took no vow of poverty.

100%. People keep talking about swearing an oath. We never swore to do the job without a paycheck. As much as I enjoy ATC, it’s just another job like everything else. Let’s not forget that.

Dr. Rumack said:

What’s the alternative—just quit? Take your ball and go home? Or keep showing up like the professionals you say you are? If this job really matters as much as you claim, then prove it. Show up. Do the work. Hold the line. Because responsibility doesn’t disappear just because things aren’t perfect or fair.

And you know what else doesn’t disappear? Daycare costs. Mortgage payments. Student loans. Car payments. Groceries. Utilities. All of it keeps coming, paycheck or no paycheck. So yeah, I’m frustrated that we’re still missing checks for work that should’ve been paid out by the second Tuesday after the pay period—but walking away doesn’t fix that, and it sure won’t pay the bills.

I love how everyone here can actually agree that you're an idiot 😂 cause you are lol

Not to put the thread on track but I was genuinely surprised there were 3 appropriations bills and D.o.t wasnt one of them

Gauff said:

I love how everyone here can actually agree that you're an idiot 😂 cause you are lol

Great point! Many of us who argue & disagree with each other CONSTANTLY have finally found some common ground.

DOD4Life said:

Great point! Many of us who argue & disagree with each other CONSTANTLY have finally found some common ground.

Lmao seriously, what were we debating about again? I’d rather go back to that instead of listen to that fucking cuck

They literally let some south African drug addict run the country for like 2 months.

Gauff said:

I love how everyone here can actually agree that you're an idiot 😂 cause you are lol

I think he got the point. He's gone back to lurking status. 😅

Gauff said:

I love how everyone here can actually agree that you're an idiot 😂 cause you are lol

Oh, now you want to walk off the job? That’s rich. The same crowd that spent years preaching about “doing your part” and “holding the line” suddenly discovers protest when their own paychecks are late. Maybe if half of you hadn’t been so easily indoctrinated into blind obedience — the same mindset that cheered for mandates and the clot shot — you’d have noticed how broken the system really is before it started hitting your wallets.

N90-EWR said:

I think he got the point. He's gone back to lurking status. 😅

Oh, he? Careful now, you wouldn't want to misgender the void where that lurker used to be. Pronouns are sacred, comrade—next time consult the collective before assuming anything. 😏