Government Shutdown

[Spoony90]

Republicans are dying on the liability protection for corporations hill. If they didn’t do anything wrong why do they need protection? Probably because they knew they were creating unsafe conditions for their employees and made them come to work anyway. We all must bow at the altar of capitalism.

Still waiting on our hazard pay ?

 

[CF]

Still waiting on our hazard pay ?

I’ll wear my kids shitty diaper as a mask if we end up with hazard pay.

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

I’ll wear my kids shitty diaper as a mask if we end up with hazard pay.

Further context: CF's child is 17 years old and exclusively eats baked beans for breakfast and spicy curry for lunch and dinner.

 

[Shikaka]

I’ll wear my kids shitty diaper as a mask if we end up with hazard pay.

I will pay you hazard pay for seeing this

 

[CaptainObvious]

I’ll wear my shitty kid’s diaper as a mask if we end up with hazard pay.

FTFY

 

[Shikaka]

FTFY

Bold of you to assume he likes his kid, I have two and they're not even in my top 5 of favorite kids

 

[Billybob]

House passed HR 8900 Continuing Resolution to keep the govt open one more week until next Friday. Senate will vote on the CR tomorrow.

 

[Counterclockwise]

House passed HR 8900 Continuing Resolution to keep the govt open one more week until next Friday. Senate will vote on the CR tomorrow.

Our elected officials are worthless.

 

[Acquired Taste]

Republicans are dying on the liability protection for corporations hill. If they didn’t do anything wrong why do they need protection? Probably because they knew they were creating unsafe conditions for their employees and made them come to work anyway. We all must bow at the altar of capitalism.

GTFO. Do you really think it is a good idea to subject businesses to frivolous lawsuits because a customer or employee claims they didn't do enough to mitigate their risk of getting covid? Everyone knows covid is out there. If you can't risk getting it, stay locked in your house until it is over but you can't hold someone else accountable if you happen to get covid and end up having complications/die just because you may have caught it at work or the grocery store. No one is forced to work somewhere or go anywhere with a gun to their head. If you don't like how someone is conducting business, don't go there. Don't like the way your employer is handling the situation? Quit and get a different job. I'm *this close* to saying fuck it, if you can't beat 'em join 'em. If I didn't hate where I'm at and didn't want to advance my career, I probably already would have given the flight surgeon a call and secured that fat boy leave. But imo it's a bad optic and my moral compass gets in the way sometimes.

 

[32andBelow]

GTFO. Do you really think it is a good idea to subject businesses to frivolous lawsuits because a customer or employee claims they didn't do enough to mitigate their risk of getting covid? Everyone knows covid is out there. If you can't risk getting it, stay locked in your house until it is over but you can't hold someone else accountable if you happen to get covid and end up having complications/die just because you may have caught it at work or the grocery store. No one is forced to work somewhere or go anywhere with a gun to their head. If you don't like how someone is conducting business, don't go there. Don't like the way your employer is handling the situation? Quit and get a different job. I'm *this close* to saying fuck it, if you can't beat 'em join 'em. If I didn't hate where I'm at and wanted to advance my career, I probably already would have given the flight surgeon a call and secured that fat boy leave. But imo it's a bad optic and my moral compass gets in the way sometimes.

Tyson Food managers bet on workers getting Covid-19, lawsuit says

As infection spread, plant managers organised a "winner-take-all betting pool", a lawsuit alleges.

www.bbc.com

no immunity. Fuck em.

 

[Flashy Vectors]

GTFO. Do you really think it is a good idea to subject businesses to frivolous lawsuits because a customer or employee claims they didn't do enough to mitigate their risk of getting covid? Everyone knows covid is out there. If you can't risk getting it, stay locked in your house until it is over but you can't hold someone else accountable if you happen to get covid and end up having complications/die just because you may have caught it at work or the grocery store. No one is forced to work somewhere or go anywhere with a gun to their head. If you don't like how someone is conducting business, don't go there. Don't like the way your employer is handling the situation? Quit and get a different job. I'm *this close* to saying fuck it, if you can't beat 'em join 'em. If I didn't hate where I'm at and wanted to advance my career, I probably already would have given the flight surgeon a call and secured that fat boy leave. But imo it's a bad optic and my moral compass gets in the way sometimes.

“It’s a right to work” mentality is just more propaganda in the laissez faire capitalist market dream book.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

GTFO. Do you really think it is a good idea to subject businesses to frivolous lawsuits because a customer or employee claims they didn't do enough to mitigate their risk of getting covid? Everyone knows covid is out there. If you can't risk getting it, stay locked in your house until it is over but you can't hold someone else accountable if you happen to get covid and end up having complications/die just because you may have caught it at work or the grocery store. No one is forced to work somewhere or go anywhere with a gun to their head. If you don't like how someone is conducting business, don't go there. Don't like the way your employer is handling the situation? Quit and get a different job. I'm *this close* to saying fuck it, if you can't beat 'em join 'em. If I didn't hate where I'm at and wanted to advance my career, I probably already would have given the flight surgeon a call and secured that fat boy leave. But imo it's a bad optic and my moral compass gets in the way sometimes.

So you think workers and/or consumers should have no recourse to right a wrong if workplace safety rules are not put in place or violated in the name of efficiency (or more likely profit) should they cause them harm?

I'd like to hear your hot takes on our contract if that's the case.

 

[Acquired Taste]

“It’s a right to work” mentality is just more propaganda in the laissez faire capitalist market dream book.

"It's a right to cash a big check written by someone else because life doesn't always meet my definition of fair" is just more propaganda in the socialist utopian handbook.

So you think workers and/or consumers should have no recourse to right a wrong if workplace safety rules are not put in place or violated in the name of efficiency (or more likely profit) should they cause them harm?

I'd like to hear your hot takes on our contract if that's the case.

I am specifically referring to covid but yes I am sure there are other instances with which I would take the same stance. Don't get me wrong, if I work somewhere and they the air filter they use in the a/c or the the water filter they use in the water fountain contains carcinogens that are known to cause cancer and the company knows and tries to hide it and I end up getting cancer, then yes I should be able to sue for damages. But if they know about it and they make me aware of it and I choose to continue to work there, then I made an informed choice and I accept the results of that choice. With covid, literally everyone knows it's out there and no one is forcing you to be exposed. If you don't like the precautions taken or lack thereof, go work/shop somewhere else. But if you still show up, you are accepting the risk that you might get covid and might suffer adverse consequences as a result and shouldn't be able to hold anyone accountable.


What do you guys think would be a better alternative? Allowing everyone to sue every business for covid damages? We would be a 3rd world country in a year. I swear, you libs literally could see your policies destroy everything you've ever known and still not recognize that your ideas don't work. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see if you allow people to shakedown businesses in court, people are going to take advantage. Just like I'm sure we will see an increase in the number of people seeking a covid test during the FAA's brilliant new pilot program to get some free leave. There are unintended consequences of stupid laws and policies that are very easy to see if you just have even the slightest bit of foresight.

 

[Phillyman2633]

So you think workers and/or consumers should have no recourse to right a wrong if workplace safety rules are not put in place or violated in the name of efficiency (or more likely profit) should they cause them harm?

I'd like to hear your hot takes on our contract if that's the case.

Str8 vigilantism bro. If you get wronged, SUMMARY EXECUTION. New arbitration rep is Robocop

 

[Peter Gibbons]

"It's a right to cash a big check written by someone else because life doesn't always meet my definition of fair" is just more propaganda in the socialist utopian handbook.

I am specifically referring to covid but yes I am sure there are other instances with which I would take the same stance. Don't get me wrong, if I work somewhere and they the air filter they use in the a/c or the the water filter they use in the water fountain contains carcinogens that are known to cause cancer and the company knows and tries to hide it and I end up getting cancer, then yes I should be able to sue for damages. But if they know about it and they make me aware of it and I choose to continue to work there, then I made an informed choice and I accept the results of that choice. With covid, literally everyone knows it's out there and no one is forcing you to be exposed. If you don't like the precautions taken or lack thereof, go work/shop somewhere else. But if you still show up, you are accepting the risk that you might get covid and might suffer adverse consequences as a result and shouldn't be able to hold anyone accountable.


What do you guys think would be a better alternative? Allowing everyone to sue every business for covid damages? We would be a 3rd world country in a year. I swear, you libs literally could see your policies destroy everything you've ever known and still not recognize that your ideas don't work. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see if you allow people to shakedown businesses in court, people are going to take advantage. Just like I'm sure we will see an increase in the number of people seeking a covid test during the FAA's brilliant new pilot program to get some free leave. There are unintended consequences of stupid laws and policies that are very easy to see if you just have even the slightest bit of foresight.

So hypothetically a working single mother, or an immunocompromised person, or really anyone at all to be honest, particularly someone barely making ends meet with little or no savings (which is over half the country mind you, according to multiple studies) should have to quit thier job, possibly forgoing any unemployment benefits in doing so in order to protect themselves from a sickness?

And do what in the mean time? Go to the soup kitchen? Magically materialize a job out of thin air? Hope that lotto ticket hits? All instead of encouraging employers to provide basic safety equipment and enforce basic safety standards under the possibility (not threat, not mandate, not codified law) that they may be sued if they fail to do so and someone gets sick?

Sounds more like giving cheap ass bullshit money hungry business owners more breathing room to be scumbags than it does enforcing any kind of socialist utopia, which frankly if you think enforcing basic public safety policies in a pandemic is a step towards the US becoming the soviet union..... I don't think you understand what the term socialist utopia means.

Moreover if you think a few scumbags possibly getting sued for being scumbags is going to collapse the economy any more than continuing this pandemic bullshit because morons refuse to take any kind of safety precautions and stop spreading it, that makes you a propoganda consuming moron as well. There is no economy without workers to do things and buy things with thier wages, but ya let's make sure the people taking advantage of that labor and reaping those corporate profits are protected above those workers. Capitalism baby ya sounds great. Work till you die, even if we make you die sooner, gotta protect that bottom line.

 

[32andBelow]

So hypothetically a working single mother, or an immunocompromised person, or really anyone at all to be honest, particularly someone barely making ends meet with little or no savings (which is over half the country mind you, according to multiple studies) should have to quit thier job, possibly forgoing any unemployment benefits in doing so in order to protect themselves from a sickness?

And do what in the mean time? Go to the soup kitchen? Magically materialize a job out of thin air? Hope that lotto ticket hits? All instead of encouraging employers to provide basic safety equipment and enforce basic safety standards under the possibility (not threat, not mandate, not codified law) that they may be sued if they fail to do so and someone gets sick?

Sounds more like giving cheap ass bullshit money hungry business owners more breathing room to be scumbags than it does enforcing any kind of socialist utopia, which frankly if you think enforcing basic public safety policies in a pandemic is a step towards the US becoming the soviet union..... I don't think you understand what the term socialist utopia means.

Moreover if you think a few scumbags possibly getting sued for being scumbags is going to collapse the economy any more than continuing this pandemic bullshit because morons refuse to take any kind of safety precautions and stop spreading it, that makes you a propoganda consuming moron as well. There is no economy without workers to do things and buy things with thier wages, but ya let's make sure the people taking advantage of that labor and reaping those corporate profits are protected above those workers. Capitalism baby ya sounds great. Work till you die, even if we make you die sooner, gotta protect that bottom line.

They should grab on to their nearest bootstraps

 

[Shikaka]

"It's a right to cash a big check written by someone else because life doesn't always meet my definition of fair" is just more propaganda in the socialist utopian handbook.

I am specifically referring to covid but yes I am sure there are other instances with which I would take the same stance. Don't get me wrong, if I work somewhere and they the air filter they use in the a/c or the the water filter they use in the water fountain contains carcinogens that are known to cause cancer and the company knows and tries to hide it and I end up getting cancer, then yes I should be able to sue for damages. But if they know about it and they make me aware of it and I choose to continue to work there, then I made an informed choice and I accept the results of that choice. With covid, literally everyone knows it's out there and no one is forcing you to be exposed. If you don't like the precautions taken or lack thereof, go work/shop somewhere else. But if you still show up, you are accepting the risk that you might get covid and might suffer adverse consequences as a result and shouldn't be able to hold anyone accountable.


What do you guys think would be a better alternative? Allowing everyone to sue every business for covid damages? We would be a 3rd world country in a year. I swear, you libs literally could see your policies destroy everything you've ever known and still not recognize that your ideas don't work. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see if you allow people to shakedown businesses in court, people are going to take advantage. Just like I'm sure we will see an increase in the number of people seeking a covid test during the FAA's brilliant new pilot program to get some free leave. There are unintended consequences of stupid laws and policies that are very easy to see if you just have even the slightest bit of foresight.

...how would lawsuits make us a 3rd world country, wealth exchanges hands all the time. The stock exchange goes through $130+ Trillion worth of exchanges every year.

But somehow this is what makes the U.S. a third world country, holding companies accountable for basic worker safety and health?

I also feel like you don't know how lawsuits work, they require evidence of negligence. You can't just randomly sue people and expect to win without evidence. Especially given the legal power corporations actually hold.

 

[TermLimits]

"It's a right to cash a big check written by someone else because life doesn't always meet my definition of fair" is just more propaganda in the socialist utopian handbook.

I am specifically referring to covid but yes I am sure there are other instances with which I would take the same stance. Don't get me wrong, if I work somewhere and they the air filter they use in the a/c or the the water filter they use in the water fountain contains carcinogens that are known to cause cancer and the company knows and tries to hide it and I end up getting cancer, then yes I should be able to sue for damages. But if they know about it and they make me aware of it and I choose to continue to work there, then I made an informed choice and I accept the results of that choice. With covid, literally everyone knows it's out there and no one is forcing you to be exposed. If you don't like the precautions taken or lack thereof, go work/shop somewhere else. But if you still show up, you are accepting the risk that you might get covid and might suffer adverse consequences as a result and shouldn't be able to hold anyone accountable.


What do you guys think would be a better alternative? Allowing everyone to sue every business for covid damages? We would be a 3rd world country in a year. I swear, you libs literally could see your policies destroy everything you've ever known and still not recognize that your ideas don't work. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see if you allow people to shakedown businesses in court, people are going to take advantage. Just like I'm sure we will see an increase in the number of people seeking a covid test during the FAA's brilliant new pilot program to get some free leave. There are unintended consequences of stupid laws and policies that are very easy to see if you just have even the slightest bit of foresight.

The problem is that carcinogens known by a company are solely their responsibility to fix. The companies cannot accurately identify the customers who have COVID and who doesn’t, even then they can’t deny you business on a hunch. If a worker gets sick at a grocery store then it’s not a companies fault, it’s whoever spread it to them.

I agree that the left has gotten very over the top with this. In March it was a new illness and overreactions were rampant. But it’s December now, yea numbers are going up but from more people being infected or more testing? The tests are only correct about 2/3rds of the time too. Tack on flu season and colds, you’ve got plenty of people who think the shared symptoms mean death.

They just need to leave the businesses alone, most aren’t going to be around next year anyway financially.

Or, pass the Bill to hold companies liable and later they’ll use that to back door that shooting victims can sue manufacturers like they have been trying to do for years.

 

[Acquired Taste]

So hypothetically a working single mother, or an immunocompromised person, or really anyone at all to be honest, particularly someone barely making ends meet with little or no savings (which is over half the country mind you, according to multiple studies) should have to quit thier job, possibly forgoing any unemployment benefits in doing so in order to protect themselves from a sickness?

And do what in the mean time? Go to the soup kitchen? Magically materialize a job out of thin air? Hope that lotto ticket hits? All instead of encouraging employers to provide basic safety equipment and enforce basic safety standards under the possibility (not threat, not mandate, not codified law) that they may be sued if they fail to do so and someone gets sick?

Sounds more like giving cheap ass bullshit money hungry business owners more breathing room to be scumbags than it does enforcing any kind of socialist utopia, which frankly if you think enforcing basic public safety policies in a pandemic is a step towards the US becoming the soviet union..... I don't think you understand what the term socialist utopia means.

Moreover if you think a few scumbags possibly getting sued for being scumbags is going to collapse the economy any more than continuing this pandemic bullshit because morons refuse to take any kind of safety precautions and stop spreading it, that makes you a propoganda consuming moron as well. There is no economy without workers to do things and buy things with thier wages, but ya let's make sure the people taking advantage of that labor and reaping those corporate profits are protected above those workers. Capitalism baby ya sounds great. Work till you die, even if we make you die sooner, gotta protect that bottom line.

So hypothetically struggling businesses should pay everyone to stay at home? Those cheap ass business owners are on the brink of collapse. The economy is in complete shambles despite whatever wallstreet or Trump will tell you. Do you have any idea how much it costs to deal with legal bullshit? Small businesses can't afford to pay for a full time legal team to fight the frivolous bullshit lawsuits, let alone any settlements since it is usually a lot easier to just pay to make it go away. The only businesses that could survive are the too big to fail ones you hate so much. Steve the restaurant owner or Janelle the boutique owner would just have to shut their doors. Also, you hate capitalism but it has provided everything you have in your life today. You guys love to talk about people voting against their best interests but you guys constantly vote against the economic system that has lifted the most people out of poverty and provided the largest increases to the average man's quality of life and no other system has ever come close.

...how would lawsuits make us a 3rd world country, wealth exchanges hands all the time. The stock exchange goes through $130+ Trillion worth of exchanges every year.

But somehow this is what makes the U.S. a third world country, holding companies accountable for basic worker safety and health?

I also feel like you don't know how lawsuits work, they require evidence of negligence. You can't just randomly sue people and expect to win without evidence. Especially given the legal power corporations actually hold.

As mentioned above, small businesses, aka the backbone of America, would shutter en masse. Millions of job losses would result. The wealth gap would grow even wider. You don't even necessarily have to win the lawsuit to file it. There is so much damage done simply by the filing of the lawsuit in the first place. Like I said, it's often times easier to just pay the bribe and settle than it is to actually fight a lawsuit, even though we all know it's bullshit.

 

[32andBelow]

So hypothetically struggling businesses should pay everyone to stay at home? Those cheap ass business owners are on the brink of collapse. The economy is in complete shambles despite whatever wallstreet or Trump will tell you. Do you have any idea how much it costs to deal with legal bullshit? Small businesses can't afford to pay for a full time legal team to fight the frivolous bullshit lawsuits, let alone any settlements since it is usually a lot easier to just pay to make it go away. The only businesses that could survive are the too big to fail ones you hate so much. Steve the restaurant owner or Janelle the boutique owner would just have to shut their doors. Also, you hate capitalism but it has provided everything you have in your life today. You guys love to talk about people voting against their best interests but you guys constantly vote against the economic system that has lifted the most people out of poverty and provided the largest increases to the average man's quality of life and no other system has ever come close.

As mentioned above, small businesses, aka the backbone of America, would shutter en masse. Millions of job losses would result. The wealth gap would grow even wider. You don't even necessarily have to win the lawsuit to file it. There is so much damage done simply by the filing of the lawsuit in the first place. Like I said, it's often times easier to just pay the bribe and settle than it is to actually fight a lawsuit, even though we all know it's bullshit.

Uh it’s called insurance.