Serious Joshua Control Facility being closed/moved?

Raul Pinaldi

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Just saw some people saying this in a Reddit thread. Claiming it was confirmed by an RVP. Anyone have any additional info? Is this the first, (or second if you count N90) attempt of the Agency’s new found power to realign at their whim since 804 is gone. I’m sure big NATCA will swoop in and stop this, or at least get them all 100k+ and facility of choice after they move and train their replacements.
 
Just saw some people saying this in a Reddit thread. Claiming it was confirmed by an RVP. Anyone have any additional info? Is this the first, (or second if you count N90) attempt of the Agency’s new found power to realign at their whim since 804 is gone. I’m sure big NATCA will swoop in and stop this, or at least get them all 100k+ and facility of choice after they move and train their replacements.
JCF is one of the worst staffed facilities in the country and has no business being an FAA facility. ZLA regularly takes their airspace anyway because they're ATC-0 all the time. and 32 is right, the AF wants their building back.
 
Rumor I heard is that the military are kicking them out and taking there airspace back. ZLA and SCT weren't interested in whatever airspace was leftover and instead looks like it will be going over to SBA whose been asking for more airspace recently. If true SBA goes 24/7 and then gets a level bump to an 8/9 after the dust settles.
 
Rumor I heard is that the military are kicking them out and taking there airspace back. ZLA and SCT weren't interested in whatever airspace was leftover and instead looks like it will be going over to SBA whose been asking for more airspace recently. If true SBA goes 24/7 and then gets a level bump to an 8/9 after the dust settles.
At this point I don’t think it’s rumor the military wants the complex back. The only rumor is who gets the rest of the airspace.
 
JCF is one of the worst staffed facilities in the country and has no business being an FAA facility. ZLA regularly takes their airspace anyway because they're ATC-0 all the time. and 32 is right, the AF wants their building back.
ZLA takes a portion of the airspace (basically from WJF to PMD to VCV) from 080B130. Below 8000 they won't provide any service. They only take the airspace for 2-3 hours on the mid shift when the lone JCF controller that staffs the mid takes the recuperative break. At most, ZLA will work 5 planes through the airspace, which are all planes that they would work anyway on the way to VNY/BUR, they only work them for about 25 more flying miles and 6000 feet of descent.
The rest of the JCF airspace from MHV to BIH surface and up (R-2508 plus the MOAs) just becomes hot airspace that ZLA says they won't/can't work.

The DOD pays for half the salaries for about 25 controllers. So they're not too happy that they're only being provided 15 controllers. And then are having airspace saturation because the controller for the airspace can't effectively work 30 different aircraft on all different missions.

We'll see if the closure actually happens, but the military/DOD controllers are being told different stories on a daily basis also.
 
ZLA takes a portion of the airspace (basically from WJF to PMD to VCV) from 080B130. Below 8000 they won't provide any service. They only take the airspace for 2-3 hours on the mid shift when the lone JCF controller that staffs the mid takes the recuperative break. At most, ZLA will work 5 planes through the airspace, which are all planes that they would work anyway on the way to VNY/BUR, they only work them for about 25 more flying miles and 6000 feet of descent.
The rest of the JCF airspace from MHV to BIH surface and up (R-2508 plus the MOAs) just becomes hot airspace that ZLA says they won't/can't work.

The DOD pays for half the salaries for about 25 controllers. So they're not too happy that they're only being provided 15 controllers. And then are having airspace saturation because the controller for the airspace can't effectively work 30 different aircraft on all different missions.

We'll see if the closure actually happens, but the military/DOD controllers are being told different stories on a daily basis also.
This memo about ATC zero procedures sums it up I think. The dod isn’t sick of having the facility run half assed bc the faa can’t hire, staff, train, and retain enough controllers to keep the airspace fully operational.

Some really important shit happens in that airspace and not having proper air traffic control therefore has national security implications


“BACKGROUND
Joshua Control Facility (JCF), also known as JOSHUA APPROACH, is experiencing a reduction in the
number of qualified ATC personnel due to FAA hiring and retention challenges. These challenges,
coupled with COVID, impact services available to the DoD within the Complex. JCF may use the
following terms when communicating with aircrew:
• ATC ALERT: This term has multiple meanings to JCF. Aircrew should refer to the R-2508
Daily Brief Sheet (DBS) for clarification and/or query JCF using plain language, e.g. Are you
providing (type) service to me? Do not assume!
o Limited services provided to DoD and civil aircraft in the Complex contingent upon workload.
At any time JCF could transition to ATC ZERO (e.g., controller break, sick outs, COVID
cleaning, equipment failure, etc.).
Or
o No services provided to DoD aircraft in the Complex. Services may be provided to civil aircraft
contingent upon workload.
Or
o MRUS may be providing services to DoD aircraft in the Complex (not JCF). JCF may be
assisting MRUs with coordination needed to transition DoD aircraft into/out of the R-2508
Complex. CFF may be providing services to civil aircraft contingent upon workload.
• ATC ZERO: JCF is not available to provide ANY services within the R-2508 Complex. MRUs
may (or may not) be providing services to DoD aircraft in the Complex.”
 
Such as? Sounds like a larp.
Depends on the day honestly. When I worked DoD, some stuff became increasingly important as the daily situation developed (for example, think Russian sub Kazan and frigate Admiral Gorshkov are in the Gulf or Atlantic right now so the P-8's are probably extremely busy). It honestly just varies on what needs to go out for the day or be tested, or prepped. Having proper staffing on the floor as they go out and return is important...
 
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Such as? Sounds like a larp.
For example

“The R-2508 Complex, located in Southern California, was established in 1955 to provide a controlled area to conduct military activities. The complex is the largest single area of overland Special Use Airspace in the United States, providing irreplaceable capabilities for weapons testing and military training.”

Do you know what Edwards AFB is for?
 
For example

“The R-2508 Complex, located in Southern California, was established in 1955 to provide a controlled area to conduct military activities. The complex is the largest single area of overland Special Use Airspace in the United States, providing irreplaceable capabilities for weapons testing and military training.”

Do you know what Edwards AFB is for?
Shhh… G-Men are on their way.
 

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