They should prolly do a member brief. You know, and explain everything…
New NCEPT MOU
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#22 Can someone attach it
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#23 This NCEPT reboot is cool and all, but it still doesn’t get anyone out of the low level shitholes they were offered on a “take it or leave it” basis.
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#24 MJ said:
Can someone attach it
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#25 Move78 said:
They should prolly do a member brief. You know, and explain everything…
Disseminate it for me daddy
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#26 It's on 123atc too: NCEPT/NRP MOU – June 2026 | 123ATC
One important exception is buried about the NCEPT-Zero thing: "Non-Academy Sourced Facilities are initially excluded from the Zero-NCEPT provisions of this section. The Parties agree to review this determination twelve (12) months after the execution of this agreement." Huge disappointment.
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#27 Homsar said:
It's on 123atc too: NCEPT/NRP MOU – June 2026 | 123ATC
One important exception is buried about the NCEPT-Zero thing: "Non-Academy Sourced Facilities are initially excluded from the Zero-NCEPT provisions of this section. The Parties agree to review this determination twelve (12) months after the execution of this agreement." Huge disappointment.
so only academy sourced facilities that have never released anyone can bypass all the rules this one time, but non-academy sourced facilities who have never released anyone cannot?
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#28 Overall, isn't this better than what we previously had? Eligibility to release/receive seems better (or at least the same) and for those facilities that are 95%+ after the new numbers, you have the "new" swap system as long as you don't mind staying within the same facility type.
Most importantly, it's going to be way easier to submit your package since you just have to submit it online. Granted, I guess there's the argument of submitting it 4 times a year is worse than once every 2 years (even if faxing was more cumbersome).
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#29 Move78 said:
They should prolly do a member brief. You know, and explain everything…
They should send out the MOU so people can ducking read it and be prepared to ask questions. You know like any functional work meeting
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#30 Three said:
Overall, isn't this better than what we previously had? Eligibility to release/receive seems better (or at least the same) and for those facilities that are 95%+ after the new numbers, you have the "new" swap system as long as you don't mind staying within the same facility type.
Its worse for non-academy sourced facilities who are at or near the now-old 85% release threshold. They've become potential black holes unless they're lucky enough to get transfers in enough to get over 95/100%, depending where they want to go.
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#31 Zero NCEPT = your facility can release one regardless of staffing or other considerations, and then it's another three years. And it looks like they're excluding non-academy facilities for at least a year, so basically lvl 4-7 (maybe 8? Not sure if they count those) black holes get one guaranteed release every 3 years.
It kinda makes sense since they can just force some academy grads to that lvl 4-7 black hole to backfill, but they can't really do that with a higher level black hole.
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#32 Homsar said:
Its worse for non-academy sourced facilities who are at or near the now-old 85% release threshold. They've become potential black holes unless they're lucky enough to get transfers in enough to get over 95/100%, depending where they want to go.
But the thing is, they are basing everything off this new TSL which at implementation is the current cpc staffing to target which I believe with these new numbers is somewhere around 87%. Non academy sourced placed can only pick up to the projected TSL. So these high level terminal facilities can select up to 87% projected, but they need 95% actual staffing to release. In other words, no one is leaving a high level terminal fac based on release criteria. This is an attempt to equally lift all of these boats with a rising tide but I am highly skeptical that places large tracons with shitty staffing are going to get much better while at the same time, making desirable places with decent staffing now get worse in the future with their inability to pick up. But hey, at least all these new level 4 tower guys that want to give your level 12 tracon a try will get a fat bonus check to tide them over while you train them 6 days a week!
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#33 Acquired Taste said:
But the thing is, they are basing everything off this new TSL which at implementation is the current cpc staffing to target which I believe with these new numbers is somewhere around 87%. Non academy sourced placed can only pick up to the projected TSL. So these high level terminal facilities can select up to 87% projected, but they need 95% actual staffing to release. In other words, no one is leaving a high level terminal fac based on release criteria. This is an attempt to equally lift all of these boats with a rising tide but I am highly skeptical that places large tracons with shitty staffing are going to get much better while at the same time, making desirable places with decent staffing now get worse in the future with their inability to pick up. But hey, at least all these new level 4 tower guys that want to give your level 12 tracon a try will get a fat bonus check to tide them over while you train them 6 days a week!
You’re right, I didn’t think about that. Since my non-academy sourced facility is currently projected in the mid 90s, we can’t pick up anyone, and we can’t release anyone besides maybe one primary release when our actual staffing is above 95% (I’d have to do the math for the dropping below 90% restriction), so we’re basically frozen until the TCL makes its way to ~100%, which may not be for years. We really got screwed by this.
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#34 Homsar said:
You’re right, I didn’t think about that. Since my non-academy sourced facility is currently projected in the mid 90s, we can’t pick up anyone, and we can’t release anyone besides maybe one primary release when our actual staffing is above 95% (I’d have to do the math for the dropping below 90% restriction), so we’re basically frozen until the TCL makes its way to ~100%, which may not be for years. We really got screwed by this.
Maybe I'm missing something with the TSL and they'll clarify more on the calls today and we also have to see what the new numbers actually are whenever they decide to put out a new ppt but it seems like that nearly entire list of tier 1 facilities that are eligible for a 30k bonus aren't even going to be eligible to pickup anyone for awhile.
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#35 Homsar said:
It's on 123atc too: NCEPT/NRP MOU – June 2026 | 123ATC
One important exception is buried about the NCEPT-Zero thing: "Non-Academy Sourced Facilities are initially excluded from the Zero-NCEPT provisions of this section. The Parties agree to review this determination twelve (12) months after the execution of this agreement." Huge disappointment.
So I understand correctly, people on NCEPT-Zero facilities can only go to facilities that receive academy grads in the secondary NCEPT rounds?
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#36 Acquired Taste said:
Maybe I'm missing something with the TSL and they'll clarify more on the calls today and we also have to see what the new numbers actually are whenever they decide to put out a new ppt but it seems like that nearly entire list of tier 1 facilities that are eligible for a 30k bonus aren't even going to be eligible to pickup anyone for awhile.
7 of them are below TSL currently. Anyone already inbound also gets the money
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#37 Looks like anyone trying to get to a facility which recieves academy grads is probably screwed.
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#38 So I submitted the new digital application on AVIATOR. Any idea how the candidates will be ranked?
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#39 Foppery&Whim said:
So I submitted the new digital application on AVIATOR. Any idea how the candidates will be ranked?
Consecutive time CPC at their facility
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#40 Foppery&Whim said:
So I submitted the new digital application on AVIATOR. Any idea how the candidates will be ranked?
Apparently its based on time at current facility