New NCEPT MOU

Move78 said:

7 of them are below TSL currently. Anyone already inbound also gets the money

Where can we see current TSL?

anustart said:

Where can we see current TSL?

In the PPT...

Maybe we need a rule where if you dont atleast try to find information without asking others to do it for you, you cant transfer.

Here ya go 😅

ManBearPig said:

In the PPT...

Maybe we need a rule where if you dont atleast try to find information without asking others to do it for you, you cant transfer.

Here ya go 😅

Yeah I figured since the whole NCEPT process is completely different and we have never used a TSL before today that there might be a different avenue to view this thanks for sharing

anustart said:

Yeah I figured since the whole NCEPT process is completely different and we have never used a TSL before today that there might be a different avenue to view this thanks for sharing

No problem, just giving you a hard time.

My advice at this point is if you are at an academy placement facility and want to try to move, do it now. IMO, it wont get easier, especially trying to get out of the 8s and 9s. They are going to get squeezed with the new CWP numbers by not being able to get ERRs and requiring academy grads to have a 90%+ grade.

Soul_Controller said:

Apparently its based on time at current facility

So when applying if someone has been at a level 6 for 5 years and a cpc has been at an 11 2 years the 6 gets ranked higher?

ManBearPig said:

In the PPT...

Maybe we need a rule where if you dont atleast try to find information without asking others to do it for you, you cant transfer.

Here ya go 😅

this isnt completely current right? they said the PPT would be finalized and published on tuesday 6/23

Pickle Switch said:

this isnt completely current right? they said the PPT would be finalized and published on tuesday 6/23

Wondering this myself

Pointsixtynine.10 said:

So when applying if someone has been at a level 6 for 5 years and a cpc has been at an 11 2 years the 6 gets ranked higher?

Correct

Move78 said:

Correct

So this takes out any say of the atm. Which I guess is a good thing but also that seems like it punishes higher level controllers. Oh well. We’ll see how this plays out. No right answer for this stuff.

Pointsixtynine.10 said:

So this takes out any say of the atm. Which I guess is a good thing but also that seems like it punishes higher level controllers. Oh well. We’ll see how this plays out. No right answer for this stuff.

Never underestimate the Agency wanting the time back in you that has been invested.

Pointsixtynine.10 said:

So this takes out any say of the atm. Which I guess is a good thing but also that seems like it punishes higher level controllers. Oh well. We’ll see how this plays out. No right answer for this stuff.

The whole point is to push people into the "important" facilities. They dont want the people already at the core 30 and "important" facilities leaving. Lubbock going limiting services due to staffing doesnt make the news. ATL does. The agency doesnt give a shit about what the individuals doing the job actually want.

Pointsixtynine.10 said:

So this takes out any say of the atm.

Correct. It’s more progress into encroaching on management rights. The old NCEPT took away their ability to select and had them rank. And removed their ability to not select so even if they rank someone last it would still get approved if their facility staffing was good enough. This goes further and just mandates all inbounds onto the atm.

Pointsixtynine.10 said:

Which I guess is a good thing but also that seems like it punishes higher level controllers.

There’s lots of pros/cons winner/loser to unpack with this but it doesn’t actually punish high level for being high level it just doesn’t give you any merit for it. It doesn’t give you any merit for anything though except length of service in your current position. So all the new guys will go to the bottom. Checking out quickly at a low tower will still be a future asset. It’ll extract many more controllers out of their first facility. And there’s no more worrying about the manager calling your facility to get the ‘he’s a piece of shit scammer’ reference check because you’ve been a piece of shit scammer for the last 10 years.

Pointsixtynine.10 said:

Oh well. We’ll see how this plays out. No right answer for this stuff.

Correct

Move78 said:

Correct. It’s more progress into encroaching on management rights. The old NCEPT took away their ability to select and had them rank. And removed their ability to not select so even if they rank someone last it would still get approved if their facility staffing was good enough. This goes further and just mandates all inbounds onto the atm.

There’s lots of pros/cons winner/loser to unpack with this but it doesn’t actually punish high level for being high level it just doesn’t give you any merit for it. It doesn’t give you any merit for anything though except length of service in your current position. So all the new guys will go to the bottom. Checking out quickly at a low tower will still be a future asset. It’ll extract many more controllers out of their first facility. And there’s no more worrying about the manager calling your facility to get the ‘he’s a piece of shit scammer’ reference check because you’ve been a piece of shit scammer for the last 10 years.

Correct

Is there a limit on how many selections a facility can make?

Where we putting in for?

ManBearPig said:

The whole point is to push people into the "important" facilities. They dont want the people already at the core 30 and "important" facilities leaving. Lubbock going limiting services due to staffing doesnt make the news. ATL does. The agency doesnt give a shit about what the individuals doing the job actually want.

How fucking dare you act like the cornerstone of the NAS going down doesn’t affect EVERYTHING!

CreepyPineapple said:

Is there a limit on how many selections a facility can make?

Nope, you just can't fall below the limit set in the MOU if you're a losing facility. The numbers you can gain or lose are already in the PPT in the last few columns. So ZOB could lose 34 people this week theoretically. As of the current PPT (not the updated one coming out in a couple days), 127 facilities can release someone and 111 facilities can gain someone. 84 facilities are in limbo and can't lose or gain anyone right now.

Pointsixtynine.10 said:

So this takes out any say of the atm. Which I guess is a good thing but also that seems like it punishes higher level controllers. Oh well. We’ll see how this plays out. No right answer for this stuff.

I don’t see it as a punishment. Both people were randomly selected for terminal or enroute. No reason the enroute guy should get priority just cuz he was luckier to go to a high level right away.

This shit is so ********. Why can’t we just apply to any opening like any other company or job on earth

32andBelow said:

This shit is so ********. Why can’t we just apply to any opening like any other company or job on earth

Because then you get the good ole boys mentality creating a toxic workplace and violating the EEOC in a way that is impossible to stop

So with this new change, you can stop giving to the PAC?