New NCEPT MOU

[Tater_Toad]

Let's discuss the leaked mou and wonder together why requests expire on 90 days now.

Mod edit: attached file to first post

 

[Spoony90]

It’s so confusing to me. What’s a “zero NCEPT facility”?
And how is that advantageous or disadvantageous?

 

[Tater_Toad]

It’s so confusing to me. What’s a “zero NCEPT facility”?
And how is that advantageous or disadvantageous?

That's pretty obviously answered. No releases in the last 3 years and still not eligible to release. Not sure about the advantage because it didn't apply to me.

Someone with more time will summarize it soon probably.

HOW DO I APPLY THROUGH AVIATOR?!

 

[CreepyPineapple]

Honestly I’ll take the 90 day expiration as long as this doesn’t require a bunch of bullshit paperwork to apply.

 

[Billybob]

So.... no NCEPT for another 7 months then?

 

[Tater_Toad]

So.... no NCEPT for another 7 months then?

Limited ncept monthly for 7 months, then digital ncept. Rejoice! Yo no longer have to email a PDF! You just gave to upload it to usajobs every 90 days

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

There are big changes in this MOU. Here are some of the highlights:
ERRs stay active for 90 days, then must be resubmitted.
• Primary NCEPT is monthly.
• Secondary NCEPT begins 7 months after the first primary NCEPT. When it resumes it will be done quarterly. Secondary NCEPT releases will be capped at 10% of the releases from primary NCEPT.
• Current staffing and projected staffing are both used for release and selection decisions.
• Projected staffing includes anticipated certifications and losses.
• Transfer dates are generally 6–12 weeks after selection for primary.
• Facilities are evaluated against a Target Staffing Line (TSL), which gradually increases to 100% over 4.5 years.
• Mutual swaps are back.

Standard mutuals require both facilities to be at least 95% current and projected staffing.
Non-standard swaps require same facility type, no academy retraining, max 3 levels higher, and at least 2 years CPC at current facility.
If you transfer and fail certification, you generally return to your previous facility.
Transfer incentives:
Tier 3 (≤75% projected staffing): $60,000
Tier 2 (>75% to ≤85%): $40,000
Tier 1 (>85% to ≤95%): $30,000
Incentives are split between acceptance and CPC certification.
To keep incentive money, you generally must remain 12 months after transfer and 12 months after CPC certification.
Facilities that haven’t released anyone through NCEPT in the previous 3 years receive special Zero-NCEPT consideration.
FAA can limit selections based on training capacity.
The VP of Air Traffic Services retains authority to approve exceptions to the normal NCEPT rules.
N90/PHL transfers have separate special provisions

 

[Whiskey Charlie]

There are big changes in this MOU. Here are some of the highlights:
ERRs stay active for 90 days, then must be resubmitted.
• Primary NCEPT is monthly.
• Secondary NCEPT is June 25th and then it is paused for 7 months. When it resumes it will be done quarterly.
• Current staffing and projected staffing are both used for release and selection decisions.
• Projected staffing includes anticipated certifications and losses.
• Transfer dates are generally 6–12 weeks after selection for primary.
• Facilities are evaluated against a Target Staffing Line (TSL), which gradually increases to 100% over 4.5 years.
• Mutual swaps are back.

Standard mutuals require both facilities to be at least 95% current and projected staffing.
Non-standard swaps require same facility type, no academy retraining, max 3 levels higher, and at least 2 years CPC at current facility.
If you transfer and fail certification, you generally return to your previous facility.
Transfer incentives:
Tier 3 (≤75% projected staffing): $60,000
Tier 2 (>75% to ≤85%): $40,000
Tier 1 (>85% to ≤95%): $30,000
Incentives are split between acceptance and CPC certification.
To keep incentive money, you generally must remain 12 months after transfer and 12 months after CPC certification.
Facilities that haven’t released anyone through NCEPT in the previous 3 years receive special Zero-NCEPT consideration.
FAA can limit selections based on training capacity.
The VP of Air Traffic Services retains authority to approve exceptions to the normal NCEPT rules.
N90/PHL transfers have separate special provisions

Transfer incentives are limited to the facilities listed in the appendix right?

 

[CreepyPineapple]

There are big changes in this MOU. Here are some of the highlights:
ERRs stay active for 90 days, then must be resubmitted.
• Primary NCEPT is monthly.
• Secondary NCEPT is June 25th and then it is paused for 7 months. When it resumes it will be done quarterly.
• Current staffing and projected staffing are both used for release and selection decisions.
• Projected staffing includes anticipated certifications and losses.
• Transfer dates are generally 6–12 weeks after selection for primary.
• Facilities are evaluated against a Target Staffing Line (TSL), which gradually increases to 100% over 4.5 years.
• Mutual swaps are back.

Standard mutuals require both facilities to be at least 95% current and projected staffing.
Non-standard swaps require same facility type, no academy retraining, max 3 levels higher, and at least 2 years CPC at current facility.
If you transfer and fail certification, you generally return to your previous facility.
Transfer incentives:
Tier 3 (≤75% projected staffing): $60,000
Tier 2 (>75% to ≤85%): $40,000
Tier 1 (>85% to ≤95%): $30,000
Incentives are split between acceptance and CPC certification.
To keep incentive money, you generally must remain 12 months after transfer and 12 months after CPC certification.
Facilities that haven’t released anyone through NCEPT in the previous 3 years receive special Zero-NCEPT consideration.
FAA can limit selections based on training capacity.
The VP of Air Traffic Services retains authority to approve exceptions to the normal NCEPT rules.
N90/PHL transfers have separate special provisions

Where did you see that secondary ncept runs June 25?

 

[Shikaka]

Soooo...got any bonus for those tier 3s that have been holding the line?

 

[Whiskey Charlie]

There are big changes in this MOU. Here are some of the highlights:
ERRs stay active for 90 days, then must be resubmitted.
• Primary NCEPT is monthly.
• Secondary NCEPT is June 25th and then it is paused for 7 months. When it resumes it will be done quarterly.
• Current staffing and projected staffing are both used for release and selection decisions.
• Projected staffing includes anticipated certifications and losses.
• Transfer dates are generally 6–12 weeks after selection for primary.
• Facilities are evaluated against a Target Staffing Line (TSL), which gradually increases to 100% over 4.5 years.
• Mutual swaps are back.

Standard mutuals require both facilities to be at least 95% current and projected staffing.
Non-standard swaps require same facility type, no academy retraining, max 3 levels higher, and at least 2 years CPC at current facility.
If you transfer and fail certification, you generally return to your previous facility.
Transfer incentives:
Tier 3 (≤75% projected staffing): $60,000
Tier 2 (>75% to ≤85%): $40,000
Tier 1 (>85% to ≤95%): $30,000
Incentives are split between acceptance and CPC certification.
To keep incentive money, you generally must remain 12 months after transfer and 12 months after CPC certification.
Facilities that haven’t released anyone through NCEPT in the previous 3 years receive special Zero-NCEPT consideration.
FAA can limit selections based on training capacity.
The VP of Air Traffic Services retains authority to approve exceptions to the normal NCEPT rules.
N90/PHL transfers have separate special provisions

What’s primary vs secondary NCEPT?

 

[CreepyPineapple]

What’s primary vs secondary NCEPT?

Primary is for ERRs to facilities that generally don’t get academy grads. Secondary is for ERRs to facilities that do. Might be a little more to it, but that’s basically how I understood it

 

[Spoony90]

Been trying to go to D10 for 9 years.
My facility hasn’t released anyone EXCEPT for one person to be a temp supe 1.5 years ago.
Once again, I’m f*cked by the FAA

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Where did you see that secondary ncept runs June 25?

NATCA email says they’re doing a panel on June 25th.

What’s primary vs secondary NCEPT?

Primary- voluntary movement to facilities that don’t receive academy grads.
Secondary- general voluntary movement

Transfer incentives are limited to the facilities listed in the appendix right?

Correct: tier 1, 2, and 3 facilities are outlined in the appendices.

 

[CreepyPineapple]

NATCA email says they’re doing a panel on June 25th.

Yeah but I figured that was just for Primary ncept since the MOU says secondary won’t run for 7 months. I hope you are right though

 

[Golf delta]

What is the special ZERO-NCEPT consideration?

 

[yoboiconnor]

I’ll put in a new application every day if that means I finally have a shot. As of yesterday I had no chance of leaving, as of today I have a small but possible ticket. They’re trying to get staffing at critical facilities for the economy and NAS. And swaps actually make sense now. I’ll take this any day over the old system

 

[Sassyquatch]

Do we know how to access AVIATOR or is this info going to come out tomorrow? And is the June 25th panel with the new system?

 

[Foppery&Whim]

So if I'm at a Zero NCEPT facility trying to get to a non-academy facility, I'm excluded from the secondary ncept and I'm only eligible through primary panel?

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Yeah but I figured that was just for Primary ncept since the MOU says secondary won’t run for 7 months. I hope you are right though

I just reread the MOU and it looks like you are right so that’s my mistake. I’ll be on the NATCA zoom call tomorrow to verify what they say