New York Times names Controller involved with AUS FedEx/Southwest Incident

[AB19]

Killing innocent people is never okay, intentional or not. You have a duty of being safe in the operation, it's the first part of our job. I feel no different about this person being named than a cop harassing some random person being named

 

[jdatc]

LAX controller who killed all those people by landing a 737 on a skywest in 1991 was named in the paper. She lives in seclusion to this day

That controller left the Air Force early, 17 months into a 6 year enlistment and stopped controlling traffic because her parents were killed in a plane crash.




Then she returned to controlling, and was terrible, and it was documented and she killed people.




Fuck these type of people in our profession. She was selfish, and people died because of her career aspirations.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR9108.pdf

 

[32andBelow]

Killing innocent people is never okay, intentional or not. You have a duty of being safe in the operation, it's the first part of our job. I feel no different about this person being named than a cop harassing some random person being named

A lot of trainees now don’t even seem phased when they almost have a huge deal. I used to think about that for weeks when I didn’t see something that could have led to something unsafe.

 

[Raise when?]

A lot of trainees now don’t even seem phased when they almost have a huge deal. I used to think about that for weeks when I didn’t see something that could have led to something unsafe.

my area has trainees with multiple deals, multiple airspace violations + SUA violations, dropped track which violated another center on an ifr clearance, etc.

training sup and training specialists will acknowledge they're struggling , yet will say "But they'll check out...", in a confident tone.

 

[Top5fatcat]

my area has trainees with multiple deals, multiple airspace violations + SUA violations, dropped track which violated another center on an ifr clearance, etc.

training sup and training specialists will acknowledge they're struggling , yet will say "But they'll check out...", in a confident tone.

This is the ubiquitous attitude which is pervasive all over the NAS. What has happened to ATC? Its way worse than anyone could possibly fathom on the outside. Paging Emily Steel...

 

[CoffeeIV]

A lot of trainees now don’t even seem phased when they almost have a huge deal. I used to think about that for weeks when I didn’t see something that could have led to something unsafe.

A lot of trainees probably don't even realize they had a deal or nearly had one. I've seen some of trainees that know enough for the day to day but don't know the full reason to why they can or cant do things.

 

[MJ]

This is the ubiquitous attitude which is pervasive all over the NAS. What has happened to ATC?

mismanagement and little resembling accountability

 

[CaptainObvious]

Lots of “back in my day” whining in this thread.

 

[Bigfella]

A lot of trainees now don’t even seem phased when they almost have a huge deal. I used to think about that for weeks when I didn’t see something that could have led to something unsafe.

People aren't afraid to have deals anymore and it shows

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Lots of “back in my day” whining in this thread.

2018?

 

[HammerHead]

A lot of trainees now don’t even seem phased when they almost have a huge deal. I used to think about that for weeks when I didn’t see something that could have led to something unsafe.

I definitely think a part of it is the culture with ATSAP. In the military if felt like it mattered more to a avoid deals. Even if it was something small like 2.8 miles, you'd usually get ratings pulled and do some remedial training.

I couldn't believe it when I came to the FAA. I heard about a guy having the same type of deal twice in one week, prop climbing into air carrier passing by less than 2. One of them responded to an RA. My jaw dropped the next time I saw him on position like nothing happened.

 

[GMX]

ATSAP launched in 2008 as a collaborative effort between NATCA and the FAA and was fully implemented in 2010. ATSAP enables air traffic controllers to voluntarily identify and report safety and operational concerns. ATSAP is non-punitive and the data collected is shared between aviation stakeholders through the Confidential Information Share Program (CISP) and the Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing (ASIAS). By providing a more complete representation of National Airspace System (NAS) operations, NATCA, the FAA, and participating airlines can more accurately identify potential hazards and develop more robust mitigation strategies.

I started in 2008 and remember when we got our first ATSAP briefings very soon after I arrived at my facility. At that time, some of the old-timers were calling it a "get out of jail free card" since they had worked under the old system where if you had a few deals you were just done, I guess. This was most emphasized by a guy who started in like 1983 and was the fattest, laziest controller we had. He knew people referred to him as lazy but he insisted he was not lazy but an "efficiency expert".

Anyway, I didn't and still don't view ATSAP as a get out of jail free card. However, a program like that is almost always going to elicit that type of response and subsequent behavior from a number of controllers. It has the potential to identify and fix some problems, but it enables other problems as well, like making people "not afraid to have deals".

 

[SquawkHijack]

Killing innocent people is never okay, intentional or not. You have a duty of being safe in the operation, it's the first part of our job. I feel no different about this person being named than a cop harassing some random person being named

Until you’re the one that’s named. I’m not defending the guy for being a shit controller but seriously, I don’t wish national humiliation on anyone. Be them a cop, controller or indifferent.

 

[onGuard]

That's a failure of management then. What are you hoping to gain from blasting someone's name out into the world other than bad things happening to the person.

I’m not a supe nor am I a danger to the flying public nor am I complicit in the failure and danger of a controller I’m responsible for. That’s irrefutable.

This is a shitty stance to take. People who are complicit in these acts and actively disregard and turn a blind eye to what seems to be a large stack of complaints against a controller, those people deserve to be ousted. Again, it’s willful negligence and is not only creating a horrible work environment but also further danger of the public and driving divide between the workforce and management.

The controller themselves might be too far gone but the people responsible for said controller SHOULD be held accountable.

I heard his sup was too scared to go after him given how said controller was an activist in the peak of BLM fiery but mostly peaceful riots. Ended up retiring and leaving that problem behind

 

[Spaceforce]

I remember all the $5 donations with messages of ‘support’ that got hidden. 😂

Which one? Donald Trump? Or fuck you? Lmao 🤣

 

[32andBelow]

I definitely think a part of it is the culture with ATSAP. In the military if felt like it mattered more to a avoid deals. Even if it was something small like 2.8 miles, you'd usually get ratings pulled and do some remedial training.

I couldn't believe it when I came to the FAA. I heard about a guy having the same type of deal twice in one week, prop climbing into air carrier passing by less than 2. One of them responded to an RA. My jaw dropped the next time I saw him on position like nothing happened.

I’m not even talking about not caring you had a deal but they don’t even seem to care that someone could have died

 

[Phillytroll69]

A lot of you sure like the government and NATCA to be transparent but the moment your anonymity is gone you cry like babies.

Don't nearly kill people then I might give a shit about this dude.

You realize that's corporation's vs people right and transparency and anonymity are not antonyms

 

[Spoony90]

I’m not even talking about not caring you had a deal but they don’t even seem to care that someone could have died

i work with someone who knowingly and willingly shipped radar a deal and said “what they gonna do? Fire me?”

 

[CoffeeIV]

You realize that's corporation's vs people right and transparency and anonymity are not antonyms

NATCA isn't a corporation but sure.

 

[Phillytroll69]

NATCA isn't a corporation but sure.

Wow I stand corrected

Further reading https://www.americanprogress.org/article/unions-democratically-organized-corporations-not/