Reapplying after being debarred for 3 years

[Confusedandconcernedlol]

I have a unique situation and am wondering if anyone knows what might happen when I reapply. 3 years ago I passed the academy for En Route. After passing academy, the FAA said I was unsuitable and debarred me for 3 years. They said I can reapply when I’m no longer debarred, which is very soon. Does anyone know how they might handle my situation when I reapply during the next bid?

 

[Somenewguy]

I have a unique situation and am wondering if anyone knows what might happen when I reapply. 3 years ago I passed the academy for En Route. After passing academy, the FAA said I was unsuitable and debarred me for 3 years. They said I can reapply when I’m no longer debarred, which is very soon. Does anyone know how they might handle my situation when I reapply during the next bid?

You definitely need to include more info for meaningful input.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Did you get a dui or something related to background check?

It's probably best to reapply

 

[Confusedandconcernedlol]

Did you get a dui or something related to background check?

It's probably best to reapply

No, the FAA told me I tried to mislead them during my background check. Which is a whole different story, but everyone in OKC was equally as confused as I was. But yeah I plan on reapplying. I’m just wondering how they’re gonna handle my situation since I already passed en route academy

 

[GroundClutter]

Probably straight to an ATM at a Center or even a GM spot.

Congrats

 

[KP-ATC]

Debarred?
You are an attorney?

 

[Phillytroll69]

No, the FAA told me I tried to mislead them during my background check. Which is a whole different story, but everyone in OKC was equally as confused as I was. But yeah I plan on reapplying. I’m just wondering how they’re gonna handle my situation since I already passed en route academy

This is a weird one...would you just go to the center? I don't think you'd have to redo oklahoma. I would get an hr rep on the phone. I've heard of wonky stuff but never what you are describing.

Lied on form-termination
Failed academy-termination
Pending/expunged charges-possible delay

I have never heard what you were told

 

[32andBelow]

This is a weird one...would you just go to the center? I don't think you'd have to redo oklahoma. I would get an hr rep on the phone. I've heard of wonky stuff but never what you are describing.

Lied on form-termination
Failed academy-termination
Pending/expunged charges-possible delay

I have never heard what you were told

I think if they redid Oklahoma it would have to be pass pass. It might be up to the facility.

 

[Confusedandconcernedlol]

I think if they redid Oklahoma it would have to be pass pass. It might be up to the facility.

I hope lol

 

[32andBelow]

I hope lol

But you don’t qualify for any bid cus you have no experience so idk how it works lol

 

[Bandit117]

I think if they redid Oklahoma it would have to be pass pass. It might be up to the facility.

This is a super unusual situation, I know of one where a guy passed The Academy, went to a facility worked there for a while, and really hated it because of a particular supe. He quit before full certification.

Years later he then applied on the 2014 bid. Got in. Went back to OKC. Kept his head down because on the first day a contractor remarked “I’m not sure if you should be here, since you already went through”. He barely failed the PA at the end.

As he was about to sign the termination paper he remarked about he passed it once before and felt bad he couldn’t pass it again. The HR person stopped in their tracks and said basically “you pass once and you pass, what do you mean?!” They were shocked to find out that his story was true. Even tho he failed the PA, they didn’t fire him. They actually offered and sent him back to his previous facility after verifying that crappy supe retired.

However. This is an oversight situation and a rock meeting a hard place, not a template to replicate. If they had somehow put 2 and 2 together before or during the academy who knows what would have happened.

It sounds like this guy was on a conditional security clearance that later got denied. That is a whole different can of worms.

The guy can certainly reapply, worst case they say no. If they say yes, I would keep my head down and just go with it.

 

[GMX]

No, the FAA told me I tried to mislead them during my background check. Which is a whole different story, but everyone in OKC was equally as confused as I was. But yeah I plan on reapplying. I’m just wondering how they’re gonna handle my situation since I already passed en route academy

So you didn't get a DUI. We had a guy who did and omitted it; he got to the facility, checked out quickly, was pretty good for a brand new controller, and a pretty good guy. Not long after checking out they found out and just booted him. It sucks. I'm not a fan of dishonesty but part of me understands why he took the risk and did what he felt he had to. I've heard of other cases where people had a record that never got found out, but who can say why?

So what's the whole different story? You said the FAA accused you, implying you didn't do what they alleged. It may help with better responses and help you decide if it's worth reapplying. Honestly, you're probably better off not getting into this career anyway. It's so dysfunctional now and it's likely going to get worse before it gets better. Seriously, it could be decades before it's straightened out.

 

[Bandit117]

So you didn't get a DUI. We had a guy who did and omitted it; he got to the facility, checked out quickly, was pretty good for a brand new controller, and a pretty good guy. Not long after checking out they found out and just booted him. It sucks. I'm not a fan of dishonesty but part of me understands why he took the risk and did what he felt he had to. I've heard of other cases where people had a record that never got found out, but who can say why?

So what's the whole different story? You said the FAA accused you, implying you didn't do what they alleged. It may help with better responses and help you decide if it's worth reapplying. Honestly, you're probably better off not getting into this career anyway. It's so dysfunctional now and it's likely going to get worse before it gets better. Seriously, it could be decades before it's straightened out.

To me it sounds like a conditional, pre-employment security clearance was revoked and a clearance denied based on something they found that during the background check. They can waive a lot of things, but you have be honest about it. Any appearance of deception is enough to get your clearance denied. It’s a bigger deal at the Z’s, they get a secret clearance compared to tracons and towers, who only hold a public trust.

He mentions being told he was unsuitable, which is the exact language they would use if they were unable to grant you a security clearance. Suitable (suitability) and unsuitable determinations assess an applicant's character, conduct, and fitness for federal employment. Means, if you can’t hold a clearance, you’re not suited to the requirements of the role.

 

[Gauff]

To me it sounds like a conditional, pre-employment security clearance was revoked and a clearance denied based on something they found that during the background check. They can waive a lot of things, but you have be honest about it. Any appearance of deception is enough to get your clearance denied. It’s a bigger deal at the Z’s, they get a secret clearance compared to tracons and towers, who only hold a public trust.

He mentions being told he was unsuitable, which is the exact language they would use if they were unable to grant you a security clearance.

As far as I know, now everyone gets a secret clearance. I know it used to be different but I think a few years ago they changed it

Could be wrong 🤷‍♂️

 

[Bandit117]

As far as I know, now everyone gets a secret clearance. I know it used to be different but I think a few years ago they changed it

Could be wrong 🤷‍♂️

Up/down, only a public trust here. Did a periodic renewal not too long ago.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Up/down, only a public trust here. Did a periodic renewal not too long ago.

Core30 and consolidated TRACONs get a secret too now as well as anyone that has military ops meeting certain strategic criteria based in their geographic area. Everyone else yeah public trust.

As far as I know, now everyone gets a secret clearance. I know it used to be different but I think a few years ago they changed it

Could be wrong 🤷‍♂️

That’s policy only for DoD and DoE agencies. Most mid/low level up/down and tower FAA controllers have a public trust.