Shoot The Breeze

[GulfCharlie]

Free speech doesn’t lead to death of citizens. The medium of speech doesn’t restrict another persons right to life like a gun does.

Tell that to the reporter in Slovakia who was gunned down two years ago in his apartment with his fiancé by the mafia.

 

[rhombus]

Hard to diagnose a dead guy, and the other was a religious extremist. Way to cherry pick the two on the boatloads of offenders who would have been stopped with better mental Healthcare.

Call it want you want, the root of the problem isn't solved until you solve the mental health crisis, and taking away one means of doing so doesn't eliminate all the others, nor does it do anything but make criminals out of the rest of us.

It's hard to diagnose a dead guy with no history of mental illness. And I didn't cherry pick those two. They are literally the two deadliest mass shooters in our history.

I like the idea of better mental health care. I'd like to think everyone does. The 21st Century Cures Act passed the Senate in 2016 with 5 nays. That was the last major mental health law passed by our government. And since then we've had a guy kill 60 people in Las Vegas, someone kill 23 people at a fucking Walmart in El Paso, a 19-year old kill 17 people at a high school in Florida, etc etc etc. But we should probably just pass some more mental health legislation, right?

I agree with you that this proposed tax on already legally owned assault weapons is ridiculous. Deep down I think Joe Biden does too. It's going to be the first thing that gets bargained out if anything like his plan gets introduced in congress. But is doing nothing really the best option here? What is so wrong about putting a tax on transfers or registering guns? That criminalizes literally no one.

 

[CF]

oh yes everything is fine. Nothing to see here

 

[Homsar]

I agree with you that this proposed tax on already legally owned assault weapons is ridiculous. Deep down I think Joe Biden does too. It's going to be the first thing that gets bargained if anything like his plan gets introduced in congress. But is doing nothing really the best option here? What is so wrong about putting a tax on transfers or registering guns? That criminalizes literally no one.

I’m assuming this is directed at me.

It’s disgusting to campaign on something that you don’t truly believe in. I sincerely hope he’s taken to task for it in a debate, or in an interview, because it’s unfortunately been unchallenged thus far. It’s the most radical platform a Democrat front runner has ran on, and a message needs to be sent that this kind of extremism is unacceptable, and I’m doing that with my lack of voting for him.

You’re the first person suggesting doing nothing here. There’s a lot we can do to combat gun violence without restricting the rights of those who own them. Ending the war on drugs, taking steps to combat income inequality, increasing mental health funding...all of these will do more to combat gun violence than forcing a single mom who bought a Glock with a compensator and 3 17-round magazines to pay $800 in taxes, or she gets her gun taken away.

As with the example I used in the last paragraph, there’s a lot wrong with forcing taxes and registration on people who can barely afford the gun in the first place. It disenfranchises the poor in ironically a similar way as voter ID does. Government bureaucracy doesn’t belong in the way of exercising rights. You’re also conveniently ignoring the statistics I posted showing how utterly ineffective this plan would be.

 

[Dialoutmfer]

Okay Mr Civics professor explain to me this notification process.

Are you Trump haters insane ? You want me to explain the 25th amendment to you ? Learn how to use google. Did the government give the public all the information they had when Reagan was shot, when Kennedy was shot, when Roosevelt died in office? If you can’t see how this is reasonable and necessary to be less than forthcoming during times such as these I can’t help you. That is true whether a democrat or republican is in office.

 

[JTL2ATC]

I differentiate between passing a law that'd be ineffective against gun crime and hurt normal citizens (bans, mag size limits etc) and one that has the ability to close a loophole (no background checks on private sales). It's kinda jacked that you need a background check at a store, but buying in a private sale completely circumvents that.

Since this is probably not very well known, it is illegal to knowingly sell a firearm to someone who could not pass a background check, even in a private sale. Amazingly, it is also STILL ILLEGAL to knowingly purchase a firearm from a private seller when you could not pass a background check at a store either. So putting a formal law on the books that requires private citizens to perform an FBI background check at home seems a little extensive. How many private gun sales are there compared to FFL sales at a gun store or gun show?

Every firearm used by the Vegas shooter was 100% legally acquired. He passed a background check in order to purchase them. Bringing them into the hotel was 100% legal. Unfortunately, everyone is a law abiding citizen until they commit their first crime. Anyone can pass a clean background check if their first crime is going to be a mass shooting that kills 61 and causes injury to 500+.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not arguing against background checks, because, as someone said earlier (Shikaka ?), Background checks HAVE prevented sales to criminals, but they aren’t 100% effective. It is impossible to make everything air right.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

It's hard to diagnose a dead guy with no history of mental illness. And I didn't cherry pick those two. They are literally the two deadliest mass shooters in our history.

I like the idea of better mental health care. I'd like to think everyone does. The 21st Century Cures Act passed the Senate in 2016 with 5 nays. That was the last major mental health law passed by our government. And since then we've had a guy kill 60 people in Las Vegas, someone kill 23 people at a fucking Walmart in El Paso, a 19-year old kill 17 people at a high school in Florida, etc etc etc. But we should probably just pass some more mental health legislation, right?

I agree with you that this proposed tax on already legally owned assault weapons is ridiculous. Deep down I think Joe Biden does too. It's going to be the first thing that gets bargained out if anything like his plan gets introduced in congress. But is doing nothing really the best option here? What is so wrong about putting a tax on transfers or registering guns? That criminalizes literally no one.

Lots of people with undiagnosed mental illnesses. I'd venture to say you don't open fire unprovoked on large crowds of people with no known motive or prior history of violence without some sort of mental deficiency. And the second was an act of terror as much as anything, dude could have hucked a pipe bomb thru the window too, you can't blame an inanimate object for the actions of a man.

And I'm talking comprehensive mental Healthcare reform. Like free, easy, judgment free access for all who need it. not feel good half measures. I'm all for that shit. Big societal changes in how we deal with mental health issues and just society in general would have a much bigger impact than gun control in my opinion, without stripping rights from people who did nothing wrong. If I hit a pothole in my car and it knocks my exhaust pipe off I don't blame the exhaust pipe, or the car manufacturer I blame the pothole, or maybe the person driving the car for hitting it.

As far as what I think Biden thinks, this is Joe "all you need for home defense is a double barrel shotgun, shoot them in the legs" Biden, so I don't doubt at all he doesn't mind passing something so asinine and restrictive, I just don't think the democrats are going to have the political clout to get it done anytime soon, especially if there ends up being a giant gop majority in the SCOTUS.

How about we clarify, simplify and close loopholes for what we already have on the books and call it a day and fix the real societal issues?

 

[Billybob]

His chief of staff freaking said the next 48 hours will be critical and his recovery isn’t ensured

Well, one Dr, and it's the same guy who says he was in perfect health and weighs 239 lbs. And this is coming from the same people who won't say why he made a late night trip to Walter Reed for the dude that clearly is suffering from occasional ambulatory issues. You'll have to forgive me for not having much faith in them.

I mean hell.... W's people told us when he choked on a pretzel and fell down the stairs.

Again, wanting to be well informed doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist. Now if I was inquiring if he was in the hospital getting new smoothskin grafted on to his lizard person body or getting a fresh shot of adrenochrome before the epstien supply runs out.... Talk to me then.

Ok well how about the 4 minute video he just put out from the hospital? Is that enough information for you or does CNN need to dissect this into something it isn't?

 

[Flashy Vectors]

Biden/Harris 2020

 

[32andBelow]

Ok well how about the 4 minute video he just put out from the hospital? Is that enough information for you or does CNN need to dissect this into something it isn't?

Yah his 103 fever and heart palpitations come through video really well

 

[CF]

Are you Trump haters insane ? You want me to explain the 25th amendment to you ? Learn how to use google. Did the government give the public all the information they had when Reagan was shot, when Kennedy was shot, when Roosevelt died in office? If you can’t see how this is reasonable and necessary to be less than forthcoming during times such as these I can’t help you. That is true whether a democrat or republican is in office.

Roosevelt spent his entire career lying to the public about his condition. And that was major bullshit. When the other two were shot it was very obvious what happened, there wasn’t a lot of need to explain it. Trump has made a lifetime of being full of shit and this is no different. He doesn’t want us to know that he’s sick because he thinks it makes him look weak. So he’s doing everything he can to hide it. We may still not know that he has it if someone didn’t leak that hicks had it and how close she was to him.

 

[AR]

Are you Trump haters insane ? You want me to explain the 25th amendment to you ? Learn how to use google. Did the government give the public all the information they had when Reagan was shot, when Kennedy was shot, when Roosevelt died in office? If you can’t see how this is reasonable and necessary to be less than forthcoming during times such as these I can’t help you. That is true whether a democrat or republican is in office.

He's always "less than forthcoming." Not just during times such as these.

 

[Billybob]

Yah his 103 fever and heart palpitations come through video really well

Bullllllshit. Cope harder

 

[32andBelow]

Bullllllshit. Cope harder

I don’t really give a shit. He’s done in 30 days. And gone January 20th. I don’t care if Biden is 46 or 47

 

[Mike Kilo]

I don’t really give a shit. He’s done in 30 days. And gone January 20th. I don’t care if Biden is 46 or 47

For someone who doesn’t give a shit 90% of your comments are about trump these days. Hope you enjoy another 4 years of Trump!

 

[32andBelow]

For someone who doesn’t give a shit 90% of your comments are about trump these days. Hope you enjoy another 4 years of Trump!

What’s it like living in candy land?

 

[Mike Kilo]

What’s it like living in candy land?

Pretty nice! Hillary isn’t president. Biggest pay raises of my career. I don’t get fined if I don’t want buy healthcare I don’t need. I’m not paying for millions of peoples college debt. You should try candy land out.

 

[DankVectorz]

Roosevelt spent his entire career lying to the public about his condition.

I mean, that’s not quite a proper comparison. Roosevelt wasn’t sick when he became president. He became paralyzed the waist down in 1921, probably from polio, and it was well known. What he did do was avoid being seen in public in his wheel chair because he didn’t want to appear weak.

 

[32andBelow]

Pretty nice! Hillary isn’t president. Biggest pay raises of my career. I don’t get fined if I don’t want buy healthcare I don’t need. I’m not paying for millions of peoples college debt. You should try candy land out.

Lmao your afraid of helping college students but loved that huge tax cut for billionaires.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Lmao your afraid of helping college students but loved that huge tax cut for billionaires.

You again assume all people are for everything on one side or the other like you apparently seem to be. I don’t like paying for peoples bad decisions to get a useless degree, or change it multiple times while in school, or not use that degree out of school. Worked with a controller who went to college to be an airline pilot. Then changed to ATC after already spending thousands flying. And then when they weren’t hired after graduating they took out more student loans and enrolled in school again just to live off of. Guess if you wanna pay for that send me some $$ and I’ll make sure they get it. Over $120k into Embry Riddle.

I couldn’t afford college. And chose not to take out thousands of dollars in loans. Too many people do not research the career fields for pay, availability, longevity etc.

I’m in favor of a flat tax. No income restrictions or caps. No write offs. No $9,000 tax return when you fucking paid in $3,000 in just because you can pump a girl full of kids etc.