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[ClearanceClarence]

PT unrelated to your post but I wanted to tag you. NATCA is pushing me to advocate for this HEROES act which includes hazardous pay for ATC and "protects us" can you elaborate? Agree or disagree?

I’d like to know where the trainee back pay item in this bill is.

 

[mnsalty]

I’d like to know where the trainee back pay item in this bill is.

even if it existed natca wouldn’t support it or tell you about it.

 

[32andBelow]

PT unrelated to your post but I wanted to tag you. NATCA is pushing me to advocate for this HEROES act which includes hazardous pay for ATC and "protects us" can you elaborate? Agree or disagree?

So natca wants raises for airline employees but not their own employees. I’ll get right on that

 

[spider]

I’d like to know where the trainee back pay item in this bill is.

So natca wants raises for airline employees but not their own employees. I’ll get right on that

They want to delay furloughs for airline employees and they want hazard pay for controllers. Meanwhile, you two want backpay for sitting at home instead of being furloughed which is exactly what will happen to airline employees.

 

[32andBelow]

They want to delay furloughs for airline employees and they want hazard pay for controllers. Meanwhile, you two want backpay for sitting at home instead of being furloughed which is exactly what will happen to airline employees.

I’m not sitting at home. They still haven’t addressed training in 1 email which is 25% of the union but they want to lobby for airline employees. Do us first ffs.

 

[mnsalty]

They want to delay furloughs for airline employees and they want hazard pay for controllers. Meanwhile, you two want backpay for sitting at home instead of being furloughed which is exactly what will happen to airline employees.

I think they want an answer as to why their unions are advocating for another work group and ignoring the folks paying their dues. If they want to advocate for pilots AND communicate with their own members that’s probably acceptable.

 

[32andBelow]

I think they want an answer as to why their unions are advocating for another work group and ignoring the folks paying their dues. If they want to advocate for pilots AND communicate with their own members that’s probably acceptable.

Affirmative

 

[DankVectorz]

So natca wants raises for airline employees but not their own employees. I’ll get right on that

no they want an extension to the payroll protection plan so that thousands of airline pilots don’t get furloughed Oct 1 which they currently will.

 

[DankVectorz]

I think they want an answer as to why their unions are advocating for another work group and ignoring the folks paying their dues. If they want to advocate for pilots AND communicate with their own members that’s probably acceptable.

you still getting a paycheck? You want to have traffic to train on? You’re gonna need pilots for that.

 

[spider]

Yeah, people who are going to actually lose their income are on the same level as two people who are getting paid the rate that they have currently earned.

 

[mnsalty]

you still getting a paycheck? You want to have traffic to train on? You’re gonna need pilots for that.

airlines schedule based on market demand / profits, and staff of pilots accordingly. Not the other way around.
I respect you as an N90 controller bit I respectfully disagree with your analysis. Cheers.

 

[DankVectorz]

airlines schedule based on market demand / profits, and staff of pilots accordingly. Not the other way around.
I respect you as an N90 controller bit I respectfully disagree with your analysis. Cheers.

and trainees train based on traffic demand.

 

[aaran34]

Maybe the FAA furlough that some of you guys are predicting will follow the airline furlough? Seems to me the NAS is a little more than just controllers.

 

[Super Salt]

YAWN.

 

[mnsalty]

and trainees train based on traffic demand.

and the traffic demand for the next years to come will be reduced. Train on it. It’s like you guys don’t wanna fix your staffing problem over there Or something.

 

[DankVectorz]

and the traffic demand for the next years to come will be reduced. Train on it. It’s like you guys don’t wanna fix your staffing problem over there Or something.

right now I just don’t want the rona. As few people in the building as possible is fine with me.

 

[DankVectorz]

Oh and let’s not forget that ALPA lobbied for us during the shutdown. I have no problem with NATCA returning the favor.

 

[mnsalty]

Oh and let’s not forget that ALPA lobbied for us during the shutdown. I have no problem with NATCA returning the favor.

again, returning the favor is one thing. After they’ve looked out for their own. They’re neglecting to communicate and share info with a couple hundred of their members. Clearly NATCA has its priorities. Can the NAS function without any more new controllers ever?

 

[DankVectorz]

again, returning the favor is one thing. After they’ve looked out for their own. They’re neglecting to communicate and share info with a couple hundred of their members. Clearly NATCA has its priorities. Can the NAS function without any more new controllers ever?

dude, go take up fishing or something. Enjoy the paid time off. Plenty of time for work later.

 

[mnsalty]

dude, go take up fishing or something. Enjoy the paid time off. Plenty of time for work later.

some prefer to earn their money honestly and you cant fault those people. I know NYers get a bad rep but I’ve never had an issue when traveling up there - but I’ve also never been to LI. Regardless, though, the concern that nobody is being communicated with and the increasing fear that natca doesn’t care the staffing is only getting worse is a real concern for those that doesn’t have an essential status.