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GulfCharlie

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KEEP IN MIND BASE HOUSING WAIT LIST IS CURRENTLY 18-24 MONTHS

Duties​

  • You will maintain separation and control of aircraft within the airport traffic areas.
  • You will issue clearances to aircraft landing, departing, or operating within the airport traffic area.
  • You will provide technical guidance and training to controllers under instruction.
  • You will communicate to pilots the instruction necessary to provide vertical, lateral, or longitudinal separation.
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Requirements​

Conditions of Employment​

  • Per the preliminary nationwide injunction on E.O. 14043, COVID-19 vaccinations will not be implemented or enforced. For more information on vaccine status and workplace safety protocol requirements see Additional Information below.
  • Must be a US Citizen.
  • Must be determined suitable for federal employment.
  • Must participate in the direct deposit pay program.
  • New employees to the Department of the Navy will be required to successfully pass the E-Verify employment verification check. To learn more about E-Verify, including your rights and responsibilities, visit www.dhs.gov/E-Verify/.
  • Generally, current federal employees applying for GS jobs must serve at least one year at the next lower grade level. This requirement is called time-in-grade. Time-in-grade requirements must be met by the closing date of this announcement.
  • Candidates for ATC positions must not have reached their 36th birthday by date of appointment. Information on exceptions and waivers can be found: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/140025_vol331.pdf.
  • You will be required to successfully complete a pre-appointment physical examination.
  • Air traffic control specialists must possess the facility ratings required at the facility where the position is located. You will be required to maintain a valid Air Traffic Control Specialist and/or Control Tower Operator Certificate.
  • Within the Department of Defense (DoD), the appointment of retired military members within 180 days immediately following retirement date to a civilian position is subject to the provisions of 5 United States Code 3326.
  • You will be required to obtain and maintain an interim and/or final security clearance prior to entrance on duty. Failure to obtain and maintain the required level of clearance may result in the withdrawal of a job offer or removal.
  • Successful completion of a pre-employment drug test (including marijuana) is required. A tentative offer of employment will be rescinded if you fail to report to the drug test appointment or pass the test. You will be subject to random testing.
  • This position is considered Key/Emergency-Essential. You will be required to provide immediate and continuing support to ensure the success of combat operations or the availability of combat-essential systems.

Qualifications​

Your resume must demonstrate at least one year of specialized experience at or equivalent to the GS-10 grade level or pay band in the Federal service or equivalent experience in the private or public sector. Specialized experience must demonstrate the following: 1) Providing technical expertise in Air Traffic Control operations to include: Tower Local Control, Tower Ground Control, Radar Approach Control and Ground Controlled Approach services to aircraft; 2) Coordinating control of instrument traffic; 3) Coordinating and directing control of aircraft; 4) Formulating and issuing ground movement of aircraft and vehicles, and operating Radar Flight Data Controller.

Additional qualification information can be found from the following Office of Personnel Management web site:
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/classification-qualifications/general-schedule-qualification-standards/2100/air-traffic-control-series-2152.

Experience refers to paid and unpaid experience, including volunteer work done through National Service programs (e.g., professional, philanthropic, religious, spiritual, community, student, social). Volunteer work helps build critical competencies, knowledge, and skills and can provide valuable training and experience that translates directly to paid employment.

Education​

This job does not have an education qualification requirement.

Additional information​

This position requires rotating shift work.

Recruitment incentives may be authorized to eligible new hires.

A relocation incentive is generally a single payment intended to offset some of the relocation costs experienced by the selectee.

PCS may or may not be authorized.

If selected below the full performance level, you may be noncompetitively promoted to the next higher grade level after meeting all regulatory requirements, and upon the recommendation of management. Promotion is neither implied nor guaranteed.

This position is covered by the Department of Defense Priority Placement Program.

Additional vacancies may be filled by this announcement.

A tentative offer of employment will be rescinded if the selectee fails to meet the pre-employment requirements, including failure to report to any of the scheduled appointments.

If you are unable to apply online and request information about the Alternate Application process, please contact the Department of Navy's Employment Information Center.

Federal annuitant information: The selection of an annuitant is subject to the Department of Defense and Department of the Navy policy on the employment of annuitants. Policy information may be found at: Request Rejected

ICTAP Applicants: To be considered well-qualified and exercise selection priority as an ICTAP candidate, displaced Federal employees must satisfy all qualification requirements for the position and receive a rating in the highly qualified category (score 85) or higher. ICTAP candidates must provide copies of all of the following documentation at the time of application: 1) agency notice; 2) most recent performance appraisal; and 3) most recent SF-50 or notification of personnel action that includes position, grade level, and duty location. Applicants who do not provide this documentation will not receive consideration as an ICTAP candidate. For more information about ICTAP eligibility please review the following link: USAJOBS Help Center | Interagency Career Transition Assistance Plan (ICTAP)

Military Spouse Preference applicants will receive priority consideration at the Full Performance Level (FPL) and if determined to be Best Qualified at the FPL, and selected, must be placed at the FPL. A BQ military spouse possesses knowledge, skills, abilities, and competencies comparable to others who meet the competitive referral criteria for the specific position.
 
There is also ATC Premium pay with is an additional $150, and on base housing available to DoD civilians with a 3 bed/2bath going at 1850 (significantly cheaper than off base housing options, prior to obtaining my unit I was renting a 1 bed/bath at $2250).

When I took this job a year ago, they offered me a $15,000 relocation incentive so if selected, make sure to ask. One guy here didn’t think to ask so he is stuck with nothing.

Facility is open 0700-2200, closed federal holidays for now (ZMA is pissed off at us for having to work traffic)

Work schedule is M-F, my shift is 0630-1430 (2 slots) other shifts are: 0800-1600, 0900-1700, 1000-1800, 1400-2200. Civilians do not work weekends or federal holidays.

There is spot leave, unless a massive COVID hit occur, it is always approved.

Approach is where to earn you money, expect to train on that first if you get selected, I certified in 3 1/2 weeks on approach.

We do have a PAR, experience with it is highly desired.

Typical of Florida our busy season is in the winter with annual SFARPS (Strike Fighter Advanced Readiness Program) a few times a year.

Roughly 3.5, hours to Miami depending on traffic.

They are in the planning stages for a Class Charlie and are preparing to split approach into 2/3 sectors (I have opinions but meh).

EYW controllers are… interesting to work with…

ZMA MTH sector for the most part is decent (I love you WM) but it has its moments.

ATCFO is a good guy who does his best to help the civilians, we have our own break room with our own TV /couches/Xbox. I did try to bring NATCA in but two of the civilians voted it down for “reasons.”

If you are coming from a higher level you can see if DOD will match your pay, there’s a pub somewhere I’ll have to look for it.

Overall it’s a cush facility where we constantly train people (10% OJTI is available but isn’t mandatory so we don’t get it…) and the only way I see myself leaving is if I score a Germany job (Yes I still want it) or once the FAA reinstatement process starts up again I get a 11/12 or desired location.
 
Additional information: be prepared to work all VFR aircraft that ZMA can get radar returns on, and a tower that thinks IFR is more of a suggestion than rules
 
Did you guys even select the first time
Yes, people turned it down once they saw the Base Housing wait list. (and one that tried to negotiate a year release date to wait for housing which HR said no, honestly it is a viable technique just one that HR was not sure how to do I think).
 
I turned it down because average rent off base is $9,000 a month for something that supports a family of 3. GulfCharlie helped me a crap ton in the hiring process and he’s a great dude. Same with LCDR Blair.

The DOD is off their fucking rocker thinking GS-11 step 10 can sustain any sort of life down there. It’s almost criminal and insulting. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a complaint sitting in a Florida politician’s office about this job listing.

When I asked HR if they could give me a year reporting date because of the living cost on only 90k a year base salary, they laughed. When asked if they’d pay more to support the rent demand off base, they laughed.

Without some sort of stipend to support off-base rent, this job listing will be in USAjobs purgatory.

It’s a giant shame because any sort of leadership I spoke with Navy-wise and GulfCharlie was an absolute blast. Absolutely great folks there. Unfortunately, the DoD won’t pay anyone appropriately to live there. Even Marathon, FL commute was expensive. Over an hour and rent was around 5k to support a husband, wife, and one child.
 
I’m not sure where you get your information from but it’s factually inaccurate. Here are multiple* examples as to how.

Ocean Walk - 3/2 - $3,775
Sunset Marina - 2/2 - $3500
The Quarry - 3/2 - $3,096
Las Salinas - 2/2 - $2,800
Private Home - 3/2 - $3,800

I’m in no way saying Key West is cheap by any means. It’s not and it’s a good thing you understand that before moving there, realizing, and leaving like most people tend to do. It is criminal the pay they offer for the cost of living in the area. I’m not exactly sure if or how COLA works for DoD but I know from experience the military folks working at NQX are given Miami cola rates for Key West, which is also criminal. There’s not even a comparison between the two. I lived in Ocean Walk between 2017 and 2018, my rent for a 3/2 was $2,400. It’s since increased to $3,775 I’m just a four year span. The pay you receive is disastrously little compared to what it takes to live a relatively sustainable life there. Looking at the housing market, you’ll be hard pressed to find anything with more than 1-2 bedrooms that isn’t a run down shack or literal trailer less than maybe $1.3m. For most people, the idea of owning a home there is out of the picture. With all of that being said, however, claiming off base housing costs $9,000 is simply a lie.
 
I’m not sure where you get your information from but it’s factually inaccurate. Here are multiple* examples as to how.

Ocean Walk - 3/2 - $3,775
Sunset Marina - 2/2 - $3500
The Quarry - 3/2 - $3,096
Las Salinas - 2/2 - $2,800
Private Home - 3/2 - $3,800

I’m in no way saying Key West is cheap by any means. It’s not and it’s a good thing you understand that before moving there, realizing, and leaving like most people tend to do. It is criminal the pay they offer for the cost of living in the area. I’m not exactly sure if or how COLA works for DoD but I know from experience the military folks working at NQX are given Miami cola rates for Key West, which is also criminal. There’s not even a comparison between the two. I lived in Ocean Walk between 2017 and 2018, my rent for a 3/2 was $2,400. It’s since increased to $3,775 I’m just a four year span. The pay you receive is disastrously little compared to what it takes to live a relatively sustainable life there. Looking at the housing market, you’ll be hard pressed to find anything with more than 1-2 bedrooms that isn’t a run down shack or literal trailer less than maybe $1.3m. For most people, the idea of owning a home there is out of the picture. With all of that being said, however, claiming off base housing costs $9,000 is simply a lie.
You must be looking at outdated cardboard boxes. I scrubbed Zillow, apartments, and realtor for homes. Average for anything relatively nice was what I claimed. I experienced those prices 2 months ago when searching. It’s fact.

One thing in agreement is the cost of living there on GS11-10 pay is insufficient to sustain any sort of life for a year.

EDIT: if my claims weren’t false, I would be packing my house to move to NAS KW this week to transfer. I know what I know from what I saw at the time of availability. Thank you.
 
You must be looking at outdated cardboard boxes. I scrubbed Zillow, apartments, and realtor for homes. Average for anything relatively nice was what I claimed. I experienced those prices 2 months ago when searching. It’s fact.

One thing in agreement is the cost of living there on GS11-10 pay is insufficient to sustain any sort of life for a year.

EDIT: if my claims weren’t false, I would be packing my house to move to NAS KW this week to transfer. I know what I know from what I saw at the time of availability. Thank you.
Damn sucks dude. So what are you up to now? You’re FAA trying to go DOD right?
 
Damn sucks dude. So what are you up to now? You’re FAA trying to go DOD right?
I’m still FAA. With the way NCEPT is working, I am trying any and all ways to get to FL. Wife has really bad Tourette’s and there’s a Center of Excellence in St Pete area. Hoping for the best this year with the ERR selections. Crossing fingers.
 
I’m still FAA. With the way NCEPT is working, I am trying any and all ways to get to FL. Wife has really bad Tourette’s and there’s a Center of Excellence in St Pete area. Hoping for the best this year with the ERR selections. Crossing fingers.
Best of luck man, worse comes to worse I think zjx still has their special privileges
 
Best of luck man, worse comes to worse I think zjx still has their special privileges
I appreciate it AB. Always have some kind words here. And yeah…asked her about Jacksonville area and she’s not about it lol. Gotta remember it ain’t just me anymore haha.
 
I appreciate it AB. Always have some kind words here. And yeah…asked her about Jacksonville area and she’s not about it lol. Gotta remember it ain’t just me anymore haha.
I thought Jax was bad until I moved here so I get it. The area around ZJX is Georgia not Florida. Not sure if that’s better or worse for you
 
You must be looking at outdated cardboard boxes. I scrubbed Zillow, apartments, and realtor for homes. Average for anything relatively nice was what I claimed. I experienced those prices 2 months ago when searching. It’s fact.

One thing in agreement is the cost of living there on GS11-10 pay is insufficient to sustain any sort of life for a year.

EDIT: if my claims weren’t false, I would be packing my house to move to NAS KW this week to transfer. I know what I know from what I saw at the time of availability. Thank you.
At Ocean Walk, there are two 2/1s available immediately at $3,140, a 2/2 available Feb 10 at $3,290, a 3/2 available Dec 22 at $3,775, another 3/2 available Dec 20 at $3,775.

Sunset Marina Apartments has 2/2s immediately available at $3,500 (every apartment is a 2/2)

The Quarry has a 2/2 immediately available at $2,677 and two 3/2s available both at $3,069.

The others listed I found on an apartment rental website. I’d be more than happy to provide pictures/links if you think I’m full of shit. Looking online the same week (or neighboring weeks) of Fantasy Fest will provide you with little to no information given rental prices are drastically increased. People can pay multiple months mortgages renting their house for that single week. Similar with the offshore powerboat races and most other holidays/events.

I found some of those from knowing simply by having lived there for almost five years but also every one of those showed up simply by googling “apartment complexes Key West.” I reckon it also depends on your standard of living as well. Are you cool with a basic apartment or are you looking for a luxury you find in some small town American homes ya know? $3,000 a month for a very generic 1,200sqft apartment might be outrageous in most places but you’re also talking about a relatively secluded island that measures 3x5 miles with limited housing but surrounded by some of the best boating you can find in the country.

I guess it’s the idea of applying to a position in a location you’ve done apparently zero research on, getting hired for it, then turn it down because of cost of living for me. Pretty shitty approach and fucks over the 60 or so controllers at the facility thinking they were getting a new hire.
 
At Ocean Walk, there are two 2/1s available immediately at $3,140, a 2/2 available Feb 10 at $3,290, a 3/2 available Dec 22 at $3,775, another 3/2 available Dec 20 at $3,775.

Sunset Marina Apartments has 2/2s immediately available at $3,500 (every apartment is a 2/2)

The Quarry has a 2/2 immediately available at $2,677 and two 3/2s available both at $3,069.

The others listed I found on an apartment rental website. I’d be more than happy to provide pictures/links if you think I’m full of shit. Looking online the same week (or neighboring weeks) of Fantasy Fest will provide you with little to no information given rental prices are drastically increased. People can pay multiple months mortgages renting their house for that single week. Similar with the offshore powerboat races and most other holidays/events.

I found some of those from knowing simply by having lived there for almost five years but also every one of those showed up simply by googling “apartment complexes Key West.” I reckon it also depends on your standard of living as well. Are you cool with a basic apartment or are you looking for a luxury you find in some small town American homes ya know? $3,000 a month for a very generic 1,200sqft apartment might be outrageous in most places but you’re also talking about a relatively secluded island that measures 3x5 miles with limited housing but surrounded by some of the best boating you can find in the country.

I guess it’s the idea of applying to a position in a location you’ve done apparently zero research on, getting hired for it, then turn it down because of cost of living for me. Pretty shitty approach and fucks over the 60 or so controllers at the facility thinking they were getting a new hire.
I wasn’t the only one who turned down the position homie.

Plenty of folks hear of the DoD compromising on a report date, those who apply take the knowledge they've learned from other DoD employees. The HR there didn’t want to compromise after I did research.

And what you’re saying is true. However, the time I looked, the housing my wife and I were looking for wasn’t feasible for what we wanted and a kid on the way. Stay disgruntled at my personal life decision or don’t and just take my word for it.

ALSO: they keep running the list to find a hire. There’s no fucking anyone over. There was 31 applicants the time I got picked up and I was the fifth person to turn it down.

I thought Jax was bad until I moved here so I get it. The area around ZJX is Georgia not Florida. Not sure if that’s better or worse for you
Didn’t know that. Thanks dude.
 
I wasn’t the only one who turned down the position homie.

Plenty of folks hear of the DoD compromising on a report date, those who apply take the knowledge they've learned from other DoD employees. The HR there didn’t want to compromise after I did research.

And what you’re saying is true. However, the time I looked, the housing my wife and I were looking for wasn’t feasible for what we wanted and a kid on the way. Stay disgruntled at my personal life decision or don’t and just take my word for it.

ALSO: they keep running the list to find a hire. There’s no fucking anyone over. There was 31 applicants the time I got picked up and I was the fifth person to turn it down.
It’s cool. It’s the internet, it’s 2 dimensional. No sweat. Just defending what I know to be true. Didn’t mean to criticize your position in life and if I did, I apologize. I spent four years there so I’m intimately familiar with the facility and island at large, still have some really good friends who live there. I, too, am and have been in situations where it takes the right circumstances for me to want to move. I’ll also always have a very spacial place in my heart for Key West itself.

Glad we can agree that it’s ridiculous what they offer to work there however.
 
I’m still FAA. With the way NCEPT is working, I am trying any and all ways to get to FL. Wife has really bad Tourette’s and there’s a Center of Excellence in St Pete area. Hoping for the best this year with the ERR selections. Crossing fingers.
GL brother. I really feel like it’s a broken system. I’ve failed at least 15 or 16 panels before I gave up. I think Macdill AFB is around that area right? I’ve also seen the panhandle hire but it was this time last year. I saw Eglin AFB and Hurlburt. Also saw Tyndall about a year ago. Maybe they’ll open up again soon, but that may also be too far north for you
 
GL brother. I really feel like it’s a broken system. I’ve failed at least 15 or 16 panels before I gave up. I think Macdill AFB is around that area right? I’ve also seen the panhandle hire but it was this time last year. I saw Eglin AFB and Hurlburt. Also saw Tyndall about a year ago. Maybe they’ll open up again soon, but that may also be too far north for you

Idk about MacDill but VPS/PAM DoD hires are almost exclusively active duty retirees. Usually people that are your chief one day and Mister the next. At least based on what I saw the 6 years I was there.
 
I’m still FAA. With the way NCEPT is working, I am trying any and all ways to get to FL. Wife has really bad Tourette’s and there’s a Center of Excellence in St Pete area. Hoping for the best this year with the ERR selections. Crossing fingers.
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