Training hold

[Amedes146]

Got a phone call Monday, I will not be starting the 15th. Normally they give me a new date as an estimate but this time I was told theres no date planned, most likely ill end up with an iPad and using zoom to start classes.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Oooo I want to know too

Turns out he was my ATM incognito the whole time.

 

[ABACUS]

I PMd you

share with the class

 

[32andBelow]

he’s not the father.

 

[Shikaka]

Turns out he was my ATM incognito the whole time.

Like an ATC version of The Lake House...this site is getting to me

 

[PushingTin]

If they do go back to training soon it will be weird that many of those facilities will still be in counties/states that are still in full lockdown mode and you cant go out to eat or get a haircut etc., but you will have full towers and radar rooms? crazy dichotomy. Worse, it seems the only form of Hazard pay being fought for is through Congressional calls for the heroes fund or whatever, totally disregarding that there is a CBA and no need for legislation. Bad.

 

[Soss]

Per a NATCA rep I talked to today: “we anticipate the training hold will be extended.” He said this committee they formed on the national level is in charge of figuring out everything with training. No details beyond that.

I was told essentially that nobody knows anything at this point. We will be back in June I bet

 

[32andBelow]

If they do go back to training soon it will be weird that many of those facilities will still be in counties/states that are still in full lockdown mode and you cant go out to eat or get a haircut etc., but you will have full towers and radar rooms? crazy dichotomy. Worse, it seems the only form of Hazard pay being fought for is through Congressional calls for the heroes fund or whatever, totally disregarding that there is a CBA and no need for legislation. Bad.

Some states are open tho so this decision really should be made regionally.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

If they do go back to training soon it will be weird that many of those facilities will still be in counties/states that are still in full lockdown mode and you cant go out to eat or get a haircut etc., but you will have full towers and radar rooms? crazy dichotomy. Worse, it seems the only form of Hazard pay being fought for is through Congressional calls for the heroes fund or whatever, totally disregarding that there is a CBA and no need for legislation. Bad.

I mean, even in places that are still on ‘full lockdown’ Walmart and Lowe’s are packed full every day. There are definitely certain avenues of society where avoiding large groups doesn’t seem to matter.

 

[PushingTin]

I mean, even in places that are still on ‘full lockdown’ Walmart and Lowe’s are packed full every day. There are definitely certain avenues of society where avoiding large groups doesn’t seem to matter.

yeah. quite a thin subjective line between what is "essential" and whats not. Which begs the obvious question if that makes the entire lockdowns ineffective or nullified, & therefore more symbolic than anything. Its all a shitshow.

 

[Easybreezybeautiful]

yeah. quite a thin subjective line between what is "essential" and whats not. Which begs the obvious question if that makes the entire lockdowns ineffective or nullified, & therefore more symbolic than anything. Its all a shitshow.

The only reason I think it isn’t entirely null is public perception. Before all the talk of opening back up and “LIBERATING,” people in my city were acting with caution, keeping distance, wearing masks, etc. But as soon as anyone on TV introduced a modicum of doubt, it was back to sneezing directly into each other’s mouths.
My work is essential, and everyone in my office takes it seriously, but if I had to go out in public right now, idk.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

yeah. quite a thin subjective line between what is "essential" and whats not. Which begs the obvious question if that makes the entire lockdowns ineffective or nullified, & therefore more symbolic than anything. Its all a shitshow.

Yeah, it’s tough to know who to listen to or what to believe at this point. I got the virus and only left for “essential” trips. I think it’s pretty much inevitable you’re gonna catch it until a vaccine is released, unless you literally lock yourself in your house and have everything delivered.

 

[PushingTin]

Yeah, it’s tough to know who to listen to or what to believe at this point. I got the virus and only left for “essential” trips. I think it’s pretty much inevitable you’re gonna catch it until a vaccine is released, unless you literally lock yourself in your house and have everything delivered.

not to mention that somewhere along the way the societal bar shifted from "flatten the curve" (that has happened) , to.... I don't even know... "people are still getting the virus". Like you said, people are going to keep getting it, that is an inevitable guarantee. It seems like its more likely that some form of herd immunity happens before a Vaccine is widely available (if ever). There are also theories that 25-50% of people who get it are asymptomatic, and that outside of nursing homes and severely compromised people there is a very small chance of dying. We are going to find out one way or another... because there is only so long people can stay hyper vigilant and not visit their grand kids or do lifestuff. before they put a gun in their mouth or have severe anxiety attacks and other issues. There will be a natural mission creep.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

not to mention that somewhere along the way the societal bar shifted from "flatten the curve" (that has happened) , to.... I don't even know... "people are still getting the virus". Like you said, people are going to keep getting it, that is an inevitable guarantee. It seems like its more likely that some form of herd immunity happens before a Vaccine is widely available (if ever). There are also theories that 25-50% of people who get it are asymptomatic, and that outside of nursing homes and severely compromised people there is a very small chance of dying. We are going to find out one way or another... because there is only so long people can stay hyper vigilant and not visit their grand kids or do lifestuff. before they put a gun in their mouth or have severe anxiety attacks and other issues. There will be a natural mission creep.

True. I suppose the states and their varying approaches will be the trial for how everybody moves forward. Like you mentioned, some states are still essentially completely locked down. But others, like GA and TN, are basically back to normal minus concerts and sports. If there’s a huge spike in cases where things have reopened quickly and their hospitals are overrun, that’s a pretty clear answer. Likewise, if we’re 2 or 3 weeks further down the road and the varying states have relatively similar numbers, that’s going to put pressure on the locked down states to start loosing restrictions quicker.

Perhaps the FAA wants to sit back and watch how this plays out before deciding what to do with us.

 

[PushingTin]

Like you mentioned, some states are still essentially completely locked down. But others, like GA and TN, are basically back to normal minus concerts and sports. If there’s a huge spike in cases where things have reopened quickly and their hospitals are overrun, that’s a pretty clear answer.

There seems to be a lot of talk about the so-called "Sweden model" , which seems to have "worked" as well as could be expected given that its a pandemic. And that that might end up being the only realistic end game for all. At least we had months to prepare and get some kind of infrastructure in place and even adjust our mental model for what it is and whats to come. I think the FAA/NATCA don't want to make a decision which I like in this case lol. Kinda like none of these sports leagues are racing to get back just waiting and seeing and thinking about it. Either way... hazard pay plz thx.

 

[Mr.Tickles]

This was just posted over on Reddit.

"Our FacRep told us today after a telcon "no training until at least June 1st and expect that to get pushed back too". ATM echoed it.

Asked ATM today if theyve even discussed coming off the 5/5 or 5/10 schedule, I got laughter followed by a no.

The next question was "will we know when the air carriers will start beefing up operations, or will it be a surprise and we're still on this crap staffing with increased traffic" and our ATM said she gets weekly updates from the airport for airline scheduling and we're going to be at our current levels until mid June so expect to be on 5/5 until at least then. The only trigger out of 5/5 scheduling (as of now) is if traffic warrants it."

 

[ATCJoe85]

not to mention that somewhere along the way the societal bar shifted from "flatten the curve" (that has happened) , to.... I don't even know... "people are still getting the virus".

The official model that governors use to figure out how to proceed is a slightly modified version of this:

There are also theories that 25-50% of people who get it are asymptomatic, and that outside of nursing homes and severely compromised people there is a very small chance of dying. We are going to find out one way or another... because there is only so long people can stay hyper vigilant and not visit their grand kids or do lifestuff. before they put a gun in their mouth or have severe anxiety attacks and other issues. There will be a natural mission creep.

You'd think they'd look into that more, maybe ASAP?... like figuring out how many people are asymptomatic might be important. AFAIK.
As far as life stuff, I've got GTA Online and a stocked bar cart. I'm sustained for about a decade as long as the paychecks keep coming.

There seems to be a lot of talk about the so-called "Sweden model" , which seems to have "worked" as well as could be expected given that its a pandemic. Either way... hazard pay plz thx.

Ah, the great Sweden conundrum. First they were all gonna die, and now that they didn't, everyone is in a rush to figure out why their method doesn't apply to us, or figure out how to convince people that it's still terrible over there.

Proportionally, they have 125% of the deaths we have, and 66% of the cases we have.
Hard to judge if that's good or bad... or what that means really.

 

[32andBelow]

Some guy in the new hire thread says academy is reopening second week of June. Big if true.

 

[UtahBeach]

Some guy in the new hire thread says

Seems airtight.

 

[Soss]

Some guy

Seems airtight.

That is a CNN quality source, run it. Also does make sense if they are doing online basics offsite, gotta go across the street eventually. Put them all together since they are expendable and run a lab test on them to see if they all die of COVID. Then extrapolate and confer with facilities. Literally cannot go tits up.